The Quran mentions the Thamud as an example of an ancient polytheistic people who were destroyed by God for their sins. There is no good reason to suggest that these tombs never served as a place of dwelling, as they are large enough to do so. If the Nabateans carved out the structures on the hills and mountains of Petra and Median Saleh, as the Christians allege, then both the Quran and the Bible are in error, which I dont agree with. During the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), the Quraish would debate with him and ask him all sorts of questions. They didnt bluntly reject Salih like the Aad did to Hud. The following are four verses from Obadiah: 1 The vision of Obadiah. The Bible It may very well be that during the time of the prophet, certain structures were still apparent to them that are now hidden due to natural occurrences, such as earthquakes, accretion of sand and erosion with time. Hud was from among the Aad himself, as Allah mentions in the Quran: Aad denied the Messengers when their brother Hud said to them: Will you not fear Allah?Chapter 26, Verses 124 125. Ok thanks jazzakkallah but do you think the verse can be in past tense and the verse you quote above in your article 89:9 is it talking about homes on the plains or homes in mountains and the verse makes it sound like they could see these houses in the mountions so it makes it sound like this verse is saying the tombs are thamud dwellings so how do we explain this verse or is it just saying they used to do that like ad used too do pillars in the verse before or is that verse saying as well they could still see those pillars jazzakkallah sorry to keep bothering you. The Quran states regarding them: , And to the Thamud [We sent] their brother Salih. These two groups are considered to be ancestors to modern day Arabs. The earliest abundant references for Thamud in our literary sources are in relation to the Nabataean empire a large Arab kingdom encompassing parts of modern Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia (including the Hejaz, the area containing Mecca and Medina) and even parts of Sinai. Nabateans replaced them and built on them/around them, 4. The structures were not built by the Thamud but by the Nabateans. Over time, some say nine generations, these people developed a society that was very powerful, wealthy, and influential. And As-Saihah (torment - awful cry) overtook the wrong-doers, so they lay (dead), prostrate in their homes, As if they had never lived there. Tribes originating in the Arabian Peninsula. The account presented in Surah an-Naml also mentions nine evil people of Thamud who are immediately responsible for God's punishment of their people[Quran27:4851] in a narrative reminiscent of Jewish descriptions of the demise of Sodom. They may believe in Allah and may even worship Him in some ways. On the first day, their skin would turn yellow; on the second day, red; and on the final day of destruction, black. They lived in the kingdom of Edom, which is about 200 or so miles from Madian Saleh, where, supposedly, the Quranic Thamud lived, although the Thamud could have lived in multiple areas, including Petra 3. and the pride of your heart have deceived you, (LogOut/ The glorious Qur'an considered the people of 'Ad after Nuh (a); when it says, "and that it is He who destroyed the former 'Ad", "The former 'Ad" were the people of Prophet Hud (a) who lived after the people of Nuh (a) and before the people of Thamud. [19], To the Thamd, We sent their brother, li. Allah does not want wrong for the servants. Perhaps they couldnt understand the significance of receiving a camel. Prophet Muhammad () descended from Ismail ( ), http://www.imgrum.org/media/1483126817820752683_724804649, http://saudi-archaeology.com/sites/madain-saleh/, The blind companion and killing of the concubine, Islamic identity of Rm (Rome) and Romans II, The Benefits of the Presence of Ambiguous Verses in the Quran, Islamic Stance on Astrology and its related Sciences. These verses can be found in multiple books, we will focus on Obadiah and Jeremiah. So, basically during the time of the Prophet (), their remains were not on the surface and only some of them were visible. 3 The pride of your heart has deceived you, The prophet was a man of his times and of his own personal experiences, he could have attributed what he saw to the Thamud due to the fact that the Thamud lived on the exact region as these ruins. According to the Quran and the Islamic exegetical tradition, the Thamud were an early Arab tribe who rejected the message of the prophet Salih. The story of musa (muses) a.s. _ Magic and Illusi Suhih Muslim _ Book of "End of the World", Who is Musa a.s. (Moses) ? [17] The Muslim governor of Egypt encouraged the migration of tribes from the Arabian Peninsula to Egypt to increase the Muslim population in the region and to strengthen his regime by enlisting warrior tribesmen to his forces, encouraging them to bring their families and entire clans. But the buildings of the Aad are like Lego blocks compared to the Thamud. Compounding the confusion is the fact that the tribal name Thamud is applied today to a broad section of different peoples throughout history, not only to those mentioned in the Quran. It makes it specific but is not related to time. Yusuf Ali. And perhaps, just like the Aad before them, they forgot the faith of Tawheed practiced by their ancestors and slipped into worhsiping idols. (41:13) The Ghassanids increased the Semitic presence in the then Hellenized Syria, the majority of Semites were Aramaic peoples. Many centuries elapse before we find Thamud again in the textual record, though their name crops up many times in (undated) inscriptions throughout North Arabia. and make your nest among the stars, [27], The migration of Arab tribes to Mesopotamia began in the seventh century, and by the late 20th century constituted about three quarters of the population of Iraq. As for option 2, we know next to nothing about the Thamud. The Meaning of La Ilaha Illa Allah (Tawheed): What is Islam? Of course there are lessons to be taken from the stories of these two nations. Can you explain how 89:9 is in the past tense (used to carve) because the AL (the) before the mountions bit makes it sound like in the preasent like specific if you know what I mean jazzakkallah They may have later acquired Hellenistic techniques and applied them on their structures. The earliest Arab tribes emerged from Bedouins. I just had the chance to look at the comments now and I dont seem to understand the problem here. So what we see are Hellenistic structures built by Midianites taken over from the Thamud. Chapter (41) srat fuilat (Explained in Detail) Sahih International: But if they turn away, then say, "I have warned you of a thunderbolt like the thunderbolt [that struck] 'Aad and Thamud.. Pickthall: But if they turn away, then say: I warn you of a thunderbolt like the thunderbolt (which fell of old upon the tribes) of A'ad and Thamud;. Asalam Alie Kum Please refer to the appropriate style manual or other sources if you have any questions. In Islamic prophetic history, the Prophet Salih (s) was sent to the first tribe of Thamud before the coming of Moses (s), since one of the believers warned Pharaoh about what happened to them. MALIK'S MUWATTA, BOOK 9: Shortening the Prayer || __ - . Verily, Thamud disbelieved in their Lord. Dont ignore them. The word atharan or assar as loosely written in Urdu literally means effects or reactions or remnants left behind as an escape of a crime scene where clues or signs point to. I hope they remove whatever articles they have written on this topic, as its beyond question that the Quran did not make an error on this topic, given that the Bible makes similar claims, and given that we know almost nothing about the Nabateans, and that the majority of the structures85 percent in Petra, and a major portion in Median Salehare still hidden under ground. Its almost impossible to know for certain that the many tombs with Nabatean inscriptions are indeed constructed by them, especially when we know that only 15% of the area in Petra has been excavated and examined. We have heard a message from the LORD: Al-ijr is now a vast plain, interspersed with hills into which what looks from the outside like houses or tombs have been carved. We hardly know anything about the Nabateans aside of their nomadic life-style, which is not consonant with building these incredible structures. And they were also well-built because they still exist today. ___Fatwa. Success comes from Allah, and Allah knows best. [23] Arab tribes such as Banu Muzaina migrated, and the Arab Muslims in the region had more impact on the culture of the Maghreb than the region's conquerors before and after them. The Thamud are mentioned in contemporary Mesopotamian, Classical, and Arabian sources, including in inscriptions in a temple erected in the 160s for the god lh, by the Thamud themselves. However this would not explain why the Prophet () referred to the houses as Thamuds dwellings. Or is that verse just saying what they used to do in the vally Even though we dont know for sure how this succession took place, I like to think that perhaps there were a few survivors from that windstorm that wiped them out. There are some scholars who say a mountain split apart and the camel walked out. Seriously? There was a long period of royal authority and sedentary culture. This shouldnt be surprising as the Quraish, and in fact most faiths, do the same thing. What the visitor sees there today are hewn hills; no mansions remain on the plain. Overall, in my opinion the response could/should be revised in light of some of the points mentioned here. Amorites Are women deficient in intelligence in Islam? When Salih began to preach monotheism, the Thamud demanded that he prove his prophethood by bringing forth a pregnant camel from solid rock. As Suleyman Dost observes, The Qurns reference to rock-cut dwellings fits the picture perfectly with the exception that these carved niches do not seem to have functioned as living areas3, Returning to textual references, Diodorus, a Greek historian writing in the first century BC, mentions a group called Thamoudnoi in North-Western Arabia4. 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