A couple of final remarks that may unfortunately muddy the waters for you: Adhesive capsulitis generally resolves without the need for surgery, and aggressive physical therapy may actually worsen the symptoms in some cases. Risk of infection and nerve damage are worthy of consideration for any surgery, particularly one as involved as a reverse shoulder replacement. I'm sorry to hear of your shoulder trouble. If you have any follow up questions just post them here and I'll get back to them as soon as I'm able. and retracted 2 cm. Thoughts on surgery? Usually getting a second opinion is not a bad option if you are not confident that the first opinion is going to lead to the best outcome for you, but I expect that may well be impossible while you are still on deployment? I think it would be wise to listed to the advice from your doctor on this one! damage to the tendon without swelling). It was sometime in the early months of 2011 that I was sent off to have an MRI done. These include . Thanks for stopping by and leaving a comment. If your surgeon does recommend surgery, be sure to ask about the likely recovery times and how long your arm movements will be restricted for. That is some interesting advice you have received. Full-thickness rotator cuff tears are diagnosed with the help of a thorough history and physical examination, as well as the use of imaging studies, most commonly, MRI. Does a full thickness tear of the supraspinatus tendon need surgery? It gets weak and tired pretty quickly, I can't sleep on my side and it aches all the time. Care is taken to preserve as much of the CA as possible. The researchers used a custom-built shoulder testing system to measure the effects of varying loads placed on the muscles of the rotator cuff and parascapular muscles. I am glad that you noticed some relief after the surgery on your right shoulder and that the exercises for your left shoulder have already helped you get better quality sleep. Productive acromioclavicular joint changes are associated with an anterolaterally down sloping type II acromial configuration. Basically, it creates a hole in the tendon. Shoulder arthroscopy and rotator cuff repair (supraspinatus repair) is the best treatment option with a 90 to 95 % success rate. Small to moderate glenohumeral joint effusion. If you do have surgery, this would mean you couldn't work on usual duties for several months (recovery time-frames are something worth discussing with your doctor). A good doc should be able to assess your shoulder and give you some specific advice regarding the best next plan of attack. He did say that it can be done in the next few months and no urgent intervention required. It is also worth noting that whiplash associated disorders are complex. The rotator cuff tendons attach to the head of the humerus in bony spots referred to as the greater and lesser tuberosities. What I can say is that for anyone looking to return to unrestricted badminton following a partial thickness supraspinatus tendon tear and shoulder labrum tear (particularly a SLAP lesion) will not be quick or easy. A full-thickness tear, which usually means the tendon is torn from its insertion on the humerus (the most common injury), is repaired directly to bone. It may be helpful to think of the rotator cuff as a group of muscles and each muscle is connected to the bone via a tendon. Supraspinatus is the most commonly injured rotator cuff tendon. substantial trauma from a fall), or from repeated microtrauma (e.g due to biomechanics + / - age-associated changes). Rotator Cuff Tears: Surgical Treatment Options. He says the tendon is fraying like a ropethat he would need to reattach to the bone. If you are seeing a physio for this condition, they should be able to provide you some good information about the post-surgery protocols that surgeons in your local area will be likely to prescribe. This sounds like a difficult situation. There is some really good information in what you have said. It is also worth noting that some conditions, particularly when joints are unstable or there is ongoing aggrevation, have better outcomes by being seen and receiving intervention sooner rather than later. It is important the the surgical repair of the tendon is protected initially to ensure that a re-injury does not occur. Jackie. is likely to be required if you want less shoulder pain. A full rupture will require surgery (usually quite urgently). Call Us: (239) 308-4701 Email Us Give us a Call! I guess my question is does this always require surgery? I take anti-inflammatory meds for a long time for other problems, but it sure has not helped my arm. I just received my MRI report which states : supraspinatus tendon is thickened and immediate in signal, with a small 3mm (transverse) x 3mm (AP) full thickness footplate tear. have got bursal thickening as well and mild thickening of. I have been saving up a couple months to cover my deductible expecting to schedule surgery. One thing that you may find encouraging is that often artists don't lift (elevate) their shoulders much when they create art (paint etc.). Sounds like no guarantee of 100% return to normal, and I'm about 95% now, not to mention a lengthy recovery. The radiomics model of full- or partial-thickness tears displayed moderate performance with an accuracy of 76.4%, a sensitivity of 79.2%, and a specificity of 74.3% for . Nonetheless, it worth noting that as a general principle, synovial fluid is very important and helps lubricate the joint. Full thickness tears: usually categorized by size in centimeters. The recovery time after surgery is substantial (and may vary depending on the surgeon, and specific structures repaired). I am sorry I can't give you any specific advice over the internet, but here are some thoughts that may be useful to you. I have a second opinion on Monday. Rotator cuff tendon augmentation grafts are a promising area of research. You may note weakness of your arm and difficulty with routine activities such as combing your hair or reaching behind your back. First thing to say is that when the best way forward seems uncertain to someone, seeking a second opinion is usually not a bad idea. However, in some cases it is clear that surgery is likely to be the best option. Pain is really consistent and moderate with moments of severe. Good luck with it. Starting with Physio treatment is a good idea. Advice welcomed. Unfortunately, I suspect that a whole bunch of people will read your account and hear bits and pieces that remind them of their own circumstance. Acute Tear If you fall down on your outstretched arm or lift something too heavy with a jerking motion, you can tear your rotator cuff. It is also worth mentioning that not all PTs are created equal. Particularly about what many people are likely to experience during the often long road to recovery. In the mean time, I received another steroid injection treatment. thank you for your considiration and helle from Turkey:-). The popping may or may not be related to your shoulder pain (difficult for me to say without an examination etc.) The goal of acromioplasty is to increase the size of the subacromial space. 6 months ago a different ortho diagnosed the problem as frozen shoulder and gave me a cortizone shot followed by physio therapy for few weeks. It would be much wiser to follow your surgeons instructions (which usually involve keeping arm in sling for 6+ weeks depending on surgery / surgeon etc. Full thickness tear of the anterior insertional fibers of the supraspinatus tendon with a 1cm retraction and no evidence of supraspinatus muscular atrophy. Generally speaking, for shoulder pain related to rotator cuff injuries following trauma, often the first strategy is to see whether the pain and other symptoms improve with non-surgical management approaches. Full-thickness tears of the supraspinatus and infraspinatus tendons at their attachment site with retraction of torn fibers up to the lateral aspects of the acromial process. Does the fact that it mentions there is some retraction mean the tendon is completely torn or is it possible it is only partly torn. Should you immobilize or not move a shoulder with a suspected partial rotator cuff tear? In September '12 I had surgery to reattach both the right rotator supra and infraspinatus with excellent results. I have often seen these cases improve substantially after further surgery to repair these rotator cuff tears + post surgery rehabilitation therapies. A complete, full thickness tear means that the tear goes all the way through the tendon. I did PT around December for a month, twice a week. It is also worth noting that sometimes you can do everything right (good surgery, follow instructions etc.) The pain is manageable if you stay on top of it with pain medication. Generally speaking, treatment options for shoulder injuries that include supraspinatus tendon tears and other findings similar to those you have reported could include surgery, or more conservative treatments like a trial of physical therapy or injections. Small area of subacromial bursitis present. So first off, I should say that I have certainly seen situations where a small supraspinatus tear has been surgically repaired, only for a worsening of symptoms to occur after further pathology (such as other rotator cuff tendon tears) either develop or become easier to detect on imaging (e.g. Drugs, supplements, and natural remedies may have dangerous side effects. I'm sorry I can't give you specific advice over the internet, but hopefully you will find the following general information interesting. HubPages is a registered trademark of The Arena Platform, Inc. Other product and company names shown may be trademarks of their respective owners. Waiting until after the delivery of your baby to re-attach the tendon may increase the chance of a poorer outcome (not to mention the difficulty nursing a newborn with only one functional arm). My husband just had and MRI and it showed a Nonretracted small insertion full-thickness tear of the supraspinatus tendon. Dr. Burks explains what the injury is and when to . I suspect you have a bit of work to do over the next 6 months or so to help your shoulder recover. There is no question that the word 'small' can be misleading regarding the amount of pain and discomfort that a supraspinatus tendon tear can cause. A few months passed, and I was called into the orthopedic surgen, who was a shoulder specialist, for a "pre surgery consultation". After 4 months of therapy and 3 injections I am unable to lift my right arm. I had subacromial decompression February 2010 a year after a motor vehicle injury (I am currently a 34 year old female). @DrMikeM: Well, I'm 3 months post injury and still in a tremendous amount of discomfort and pain. Thanks for the update and let us know how you go. On the other hand, you will also need to ask about the likelihood of decent recovery without surgery. Her MRI shows a full thickness tear of supraspinatus tendon and a tear of the majority of the infraspinatus tendon (with a few lower infraspinatus fibers still attached). This is just general information of course. Thanks for stopping by and leaving a comment. Dr Mike, Please help me understand what options I might have or questions to ask the surgeon about my full Reallmadhatter Mar 14, 2013 @ 3:44 pm. It is not possible for me to give you any specific advice over the internet etc., but here are some general thoughts. An important thing to consider (as you have correctly mentioned) is that a reverse shoulder replacement is probably unlikely to restore normal shoulder function and resolve the pain if substantial soft tissue problems are still present in the tendons around the shoulder. So in other words, tendinosis is the condition and one of the rotator cuff tendons is probably the structure that was affected. It is difficult for me to comment further based on this information. . 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