So it would be a bit premature to throw them on a bonfire another example of your sly prose which was unwarranted. Is this success? Are you happy with its $130 million campus rebuilding campaign? I am intrigued as to why you think my challenge to the claim is disgraceful and totally unwarranted, but you dont think the claim itself is? It was a fantastic balance of biblical theology and Christ centered worship. The point I made about Matt Chandler himself is that it took the pressure from outside his church to galvanise him into doing something. So First Dallas Baptist is an acceptable mega church but the Village church isnt? [10], While at Bob Jones University in South Carolina, MacArthurs father recruited him to the Voice of Calvary singing quartet, often broadcast on Christian radio in Southern California. LOS ANGELES PASTOR JOHN MACARTHUR PUBLICLY REBUKES GAVIN NEWSOM FOR 'DIABOLICAL' POLICIES, INVOKING JESUS, Pastor John MacArthur preaches at Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. John MacArthur is the pastor-teacher of Grace Community Church, as well as an author, conference speaker, chancellor of The Master's University and Seminary, and featured teacher with the Grace to You media ministry. Im afraid I have had more than enough of this kind of depressing legalism and self-righteousness pride(and before you jump in yes I admit I can all too easily be the same).. At the risk of over-blogging (I dont want to be a bore), have you seen this just the introduction. I know of Alistair Begg from his Hamilton Baptist days but not much else. Ive only just seen the comments you wrote yesterday, Sunday, and again today. From 20052015, MacArthur made about $3.4 million in compensation from GTY and TMUS, for an average of about $320,000/year. One other thing is that success can get to ones head. Im afraid your post is a classic example of taking a bible verse out of context and using it, whether ignorantly or deliberately to defend sin. Sums it all up. Despite concern from church members, Grace Community Church has assured the public that MacArthur is recovering and doing better. Reiterating his stance on 1 Timothy 2:12, he went on to state, "There is no case that can be made biblically for a woman preacher. But like John Flavel I regard as a pretty close second the threat of disunity in the body of Christ not least that caused by those who go around unjustly and wrongly accusing others of false teaching. I have read only one or two books by John Piper and Timothy Keller and dont really know much about them. The young man concerned served for many years as a missionary in South America before returning to the USA to head up the North American Mission Board of the Southern Baptist Convention. See what mine own hands have wrought. Finally, you make the extremely serious accusation that I have caused disunity in the body of Christ by calling Matt Chandler a false teacher and by comparing him with Scott McKenna; both accusations are totally false and completely unacceptable. 1) There is only One only speaks the truth and it aint Steven Furtick. I think putting Chandler in the same category as Furtick is disgraceful and totally unwarranted and thus simply ask G White to justify that. In 2012, at the annual Shepherd's Conference, MacArthur was participating in a word association questionnaire when the moderator gave the name "Steven Furtick." I Gotta Reply This Is So Pathetic, First Of All As A Leader In Christ Steven Furtrick Is A Good Pastor And If You Really Heard His Message ,He Is A Man Of God And He Only Speaks The Truth You That Are Workers Of Iniquity Be Sure That Youre Sins Will Find You Out Second Of All How In The Hell You Gonna Sit Here And Judge A Man Of God ..I Believe God Called This Man To Build His ( God) House And Get The population Ready For Whats About To ComeAnd Its Far More Then Noah And A Flood.If There Were Many Pastors Like Steven Furtrick In This World There Wouldnt Be So Much Hate And Crime And Killing Drugs Etc News People Why Dont You Start Digging In The People That Are Really committing crimes Stop Digging In Something You Know Nothing About Cause If You Really Knew How God Works . Its always good to get correction! The biggest threat to the church comes not from fundamentalist atheists or those of another religion, it comes from within. Grace Community Church parishioners make their way to Sunday service in Sun Valley on Sept. 13, 2020. 2) I challenge you to provide some evidence for that statement and question whether you were just against mega churches per se. But again I explained why I chose Dallas. We stray from scripture at out peril: http://www.whatisthegospel.org.uk. Name calling really doesnt constitute argument does it? However, I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived. . Please dont feel sad that someone disagrees with you. In case theology and ecclesiology sounds almost too technical and dulljust remember we are talking about who is God, and what is his church? It can only harm true Gospel work, and promote worldliness in the churches. And if you want classic legalism try this Truly converted young believers have an inborn instinct to turn away from their previous worldly music and dress styles. Some might expect be to be critical of the entertainment Hillsong style worship and the whole professional stage go that goes along with it. John MacArthur is pastor of Grace Community Church in Sun Valley, California. If you want an alternative from another megachurch pastor, then listen to this from Matt Chandler preached at Elevation (I think it was not actually posted at the time because it upset people but I may be wrong). An apologist and blogger is claiming that Matt Chandler's sermon was censored during a rebroadcast. I challenged that because I regard these as serious charges and not to made lightly against a Christian brother. John MacArthur, pastor of the popular Grace Community megachurch, is recovering from a sudden onset of illness. Then there is the whole question of what the church is about. Your comment about owning churches is actually ban on the mark. I have a suspicion that much of the health and wealth teaching which is plaguing much of the church in Africa, Asia and South America is primarily an export from the US, with perhaps a little help from Europe, (all in the name of spreading the gospel). During the event, MacArthur accused the Southern Baptist Convention of . 2023 The Christian Broadcasting Network, Inc., A nonprofit 501 (c)(3) Charitable Organization. All I would say is that there was no irrational, ranting, preaching anywhere in it. He also read a heartfelt letter that the church's pastor sent to MacArthur's congregation. Im not rich at all but Im also not jealous of someone who has far more people and more money. You've successfully subscribed to this newsletter! But there is one criticism that I want to deal with in finishing. These John MacArthur reckless faith quotes will make your faith stronger. We welcome another new contributor, Edward Benitez, as he biblically critiques a sermon given by Steven Furtick. MacArthur, 83, was preaching Sunday service earlier this week when he. As a preliminary observation, there is no name calling. [20] The event featured a number of speakers who argued for cessationist theology and strongly critiqued the Charismatic Movement. Legal Statement. I think about it this way would I rather sell a million copies of my books with little fruit, or sell a few hundred of each and yet have those few hundred profoundly affect and change the lives of many? This is another attempt to pick a fight with another straw man. They are usually absorbed in religion for self-centered reasons. When you are ready argue about what is being said here, not what is not being said. And now I have to go and read his recommended book I hope its not as bad as the reviews suggest! Besides, they get into the habit of being idle and going about from house to house. I hope this is mature and open enough for you! I think youve just answered your own question; how very sad. "[30] MacArthur holds to the dispensationalist school of premillennialism, a pre-tribulational Rapture of the Church, and a literal Millennium. The Bad Sadly, whilst every church has the bad, because we are all sinners and therefore infect any structure or organization we are part of, there are sometimes churches that go much further and wander away to the extent that one can hardly call them a church at all. And the notion that radical Islam is going to defeat the gospel is just as daft. He did not say Timothy Keller is an anti-Christian preacher. If theyre charities (and I suspect many of them will be) then theyre monitored by OSCR, and will have to submit yearly, independently audited, accounts. And that is not only my perception if you look at the comments above. [14] In 1986, he was made President of the new Master's Seminary. MacArthur was also given an honorary degree from Talbot Theological Seminary (Doctor of Divinity, 1977) and from Grace Graduate School (1976). If you were not speaking about Chandler then why write it here? 5) Yes the legalism one still stands. Join Transformation church Sunday service at 11AM with Michael Todd, Live Stream (April-24-2022). As so often in the church, sex, money and power are the real problems for many because they are the idols of our hearts. There are doubtless many things wrong with Chandler (hes a Baptist for a start!) If he has lots of money good for him, if he has a nice home- good for him. If you are going to reply that something is pathetic can I suggest you avoid capitalising everything. I did read your comments. My point was that its not only out and out heretics, such as McKenna, who are a danger to the church. 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Sorry David, we must be talking about different books. I was not picking on one church: you offered Matt Chandler as an example of how mega churches get it right and I was replying to that by urging caution. I've carried one of these of an NAS with the New Testament, Psalms, and Proverbs with me for years and years, so that's why I wanted this to be the first one. The writer of Hebrews 12:14 states frankly that only those who continue living holy lives will enter the Lord's presence." Its not that difficult to grow large congregations which teach heresy if you think size is an indication of faithfulness then why are you not a Muslim, a Mormon or a Moonie?! (John MacArthur). Truth in love is the biblical standardI didnt claim that you had claimed suchI just assumed that that was what you are doing. John MacArthur is the pastor-teacher of Grace Community Church, as well as an author, conference speaker, chancellor of The Master's University and Seminary, and featured teacher with the Grace to You media ministry. My main problem about the teaching is that it seems to be so man/woman centred. It was interesting and revealing to hear about their work. "Many of you are praying for Pastor Johns health due to his absence from the pulpit during the second service. I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived.. New International Version But if the theology and ecclesiology is off, then alarm bells start ringing. Im afraid that the influence of the US mega churches such as Elevation is felt throughout the world. I will always call that out, and I refuse to be intimidated or bullied by those who just cry foul or moan about not being nice. Where is the blessed self-forgetfulness? ", "What is dispensationalism? Lets put it this way- if you are buying a $1.8 million home you aint exactly of the take no purse school of ministry! John MacArthur was able to summarize Furtick as a minister with one word: unqualified. From a spiritual standpoint its an even bigger (and opposite) no-brainer! [38] He has delivered multiple sermons where he discusses these issues. This submission to Jesus as Lord when converting to faith in Jesus Christ became known to Arminians as the Lordship salvation controversy in the 1980s. yes it was dishonest of you to misrepresent my position as some pastors are untouchable. [11] From 1966 to 1969, MacArthur was hired as the faculty representative for Talbot Theological Seminary. Wendy Guay's friend, Lisa Ward, was a witness to an attempted abuse by Paul against herself and his own daughter back in 1979. As it happens I was sent this video by someone who was praising it.it is more like a political rally (complete with clapping) than a Christian sermon the misuse of Scripture about borders is bad enough but the approving citation of Donald Trump Is it time to start bombing the you know what out of ISIS (that is a biblical response) was appalling. David, you seem so eager to fire off your stock answers and insults that it sometimes appears that you havent properly read the comments first. For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it?. The news clip above catalogues the controversy about his $1.8 million new build house caused. 4) Wrong on all counts. I note you dont answer my questions about Dallas Baptist Church. A point you also mentioned. The digressive discussion of church trappings in some ways diminishes the toxic nature of this actual ministry content its danger isnt in size or wealth or me focus, it is in the false gospel it promotes he is not qualified to preach. Im afraid that you are talking about something you do not really know about and picking on one particular church why? MacArthur, 83, was preaching Sunday service earlier this week when he reportedly said he felt ill. Paragraph. He's got a long history as a respected evangelical theologian and preacher, but has made headlines more often in recent months for illegally flouting COVID-19 . The incident referred to was a very serious matter and Christian publications in th USA documented the churchs mishandling of it, which was why I had urged caution. He went on to say, "I understand that Im a fifth cousin, and so its quite a distance but nonetheless we are related. Elevation Church were accused of getting 'volunteers' to come forward during the 'spontaneous' baptism services, in order to encourage others to get up out of their seats. It has that effect on people to go from 14 to 20,000 so go sit underneath the ministry until you can see what he sees. Mutual Fund and ETF data provided by Refinitiv Lipper. Nevertheless, you continued to misrepresent what I had said, and you continue to do so, even after prayerfully sleeping on it. John MacArthur Responds to 2021 Julie Roys (Part One) - YouTube #pastorjohnmacarthur#johnmacarthur #gracecommunitychurch#julieroys This sermon clip is from Grace to You, it is on 1 Timothy. Help us continue to be a voice for truth in the media by supporting CBN News for as little as $1. I have no idea if you are particularly legalistic or not but the type of comments you were making, most certainly are. I think it is a good thing that a church grows within a decade from a hundred to 20,000 people and I would love that to happen in Dundee, or Edinburgh. Its a sad fact that this nonsense is already here in Scotland supported by the new breed of self appointed apostles and prophets. If I was a young Christian I know I could have easily been swept along with this stuff it seems such an attractive message, and he is such an attractive man. Ironically tu quoque was what you were using about Chandler (as well as ad hom). I surrendered to a calling of God. Elevation began as a Southern Baptist church in Charlotte, North Carolina in 2006. ck. John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American Protestant pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated Christian teaching radio and television program Grace to You. Also available on most smart TVs and streaming services. Uh, John MacArthur Is Urging His Church to Stop Supporting Religious Freedom . I have reread the comments by G Whiteand my own responses. It is quite shocking. But you came on to my blog and posted something which is typical of the new legalists and endorsed a book which attacks gospel preachers such as Keller, Piper and the Proc Trust. In the sermon above Stephen lets out a wee quip at the beginning when responding to some criticism go start your own church. John MacArthur was able to summarize Furtick as a minister with one word: unqualified. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Los Angeles County had sued the church and its pastor, John MacArthur, last August after officials said he had he opened the church and held a large indoor worship service with unmasked attendees . 3) You respond by providing no evidence and say that you are not against mega churches. Excellent post David. Will you not come and revive us? Cho was told by MacArthur to "forget it" when he called on the elders to "do justice. 2) There are inherent dangers in mega churches which some of your other contributors have highlighted. Theres clearly no transparency or accountability at Elevation Church! what evidence do you have for that?). lq mk So Mike Riccardi is going to be answering the call," a Grace Community Church elder announced on Sunday, according to Christian website Protestia. complete with standing ovation. Furtick preaches a different gospel. I would urge you to reread the comments by G White and your own responses to them before prayerfully replying. They do things right. And after 63 years of sacrificial kindness to our city, to be repeatedly threatened with court-ordered efforts to shut Grace Community Church down when no one is sick reveals an inexplicable preference for a mostly harmless virus over the life-enriching and necessary fellowship of the church., As for MacArthurs own battle against COVID-19, the 82-year-old pastor was absent from the pulpit on Dec. 27, 2020. to this article here https://theweeflea.com/2020/04/22/return-to-elevation/). If I had said that I wasnt happy with any mega church, that would have been a fault as well. Whether you are a legalist or not I dont know. all Christians are the same etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3BN1lStbIw. G White this is the mega church you are setting up as an example in opposition to Matt Chandler? That is just nuts. The church that is spending $130 million on redoing its downtown campus? A decade later, he announced he had retracted this view via an article from Grace to You. It is a serious breach of the ninth commandment to defame someone in this manner. And it is culturally not relevant to us at all! I stated that the danger comes from false teachers AND from those who allow the word of God to be compromised by turning a blind eye. My own view is that he didnt handle it particularly well even when forced to act. For the first time, John MacArthur publicly admitted Sunday that COVID-19 infections spread through his Southern California congregation last winter, noting he and his wife fell ill to the virus in December. Give me one example of Kellers irreverence? . [18] Furthermore, he believes that we are obliged to render full submission to scripture above all else and that "[t]o mishandle the Word of God is to misrepresent the One who wrote it. The Amazon website only has E S Williams book on sale as 30:08.! John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated radio program Grace to You. "[7][8] MacArthur followed in his father's footsteps to enroll at the fundamentalist Bob Jones College from 1957 to 1959. I wasnt doing that either which a plain reading of the text will confirm. Please check your information and try again or call us at 1-800-759-0700. Outwith a Southern US culture it makes no sense and Im not sure that for many of my Southern friends it makes any sense either. (At this point I am of course aware of the same danger for myself and it certainly does act as a warning to me! This has become an increasing generational divide, where self help and selfishness mixed with weird legalism has been manufactured, packaged, and sold as faith. 3. To this end he cites the biblical passage of 1 Timothy 2:11-12. Surely there are members in the congregations of the mega churches who intend to be sincere, and big doesnt have to be bad. MacArthur argues that confessing Jesus Christ as Lord is a necessary component of free grace theology. I follow the goings-on of the mega church para church neocalvinist movement (call it what you will) in the USA and am frequently astounded by their antics. The entire message was based around how God can meet all MY needs. I hope this mature and open enough for you! [25], MacArthur has stated that he opposes both "male chauvinist and feminist views. David, once again you are making assertions that do not stand scrutiny. Cho discovered that Grace Community Church advised women to stay in abusive relationships and worked to have the church apologize for past mistakes. 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