All day so far. The best of EcoWatch right in your inbox. [17] Where the parks will come and how they will be built is still being discussed. So even if this claim were true, it would require exponentially more windmills and/or solar panels to cover any significant portion of the continental United States. According to LJ Electrical only 2,231km of NSs total 3,223km of track is electrified): Figure 2: The Netherlands railway network. http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-e1-and-vs-t1/. The company is also looking for a dramatic reduction in greenhouse gas emissions. The European high voltage grid connects Finland with Sweden but doesnt go through the Baltic States. Wind farm output goes up again ? Acquired by Lagerway in 1998. So, 1) I didnt write the text, 2) the text itself is selectively quoted, and 3) the argument it makes, taken in isolation, is meaningless. Overall, the Netherlands has over 2,000 wind turbines spread across the country. Not relevant here. There are several Dutch turbine manufacturers that continue to manufacture both large and small installations for domestic and international clients. It becomes inextricably mixed with all the electromagnetic waves of the other. This quote appeared in a book edited by Homer-Dixon, but it was actually written by David Hughes. But it really doesnt matter which countries the Finnish wind power passes through on its way to the Netherlands. Other peoples Money doesnt matter to you.. wrong! it MATTERS to those like heavyweather all savvy investors who have installed PV on their rooftops, PV which funnels 29 cEuro/kWh (on average) for each useless and counter-productive kWh which they dump on the network sums charged on the electricity bill of all the OTHER germans, of course! If thats the case, it marks a major turning point in the story of renewables. 01-13-17 Dutch Railways' Electric Trains Now Run On 100% Wind Energy Now 1.2 million people per day can commute without raising their carbon footprint. Well, it actually claims that only the electrified portion runs on 100% wind. Knew this was BS from the headline. "Since 1 January, 100% of our trains are running on wind energy," said NS. Three strikes. A little more than a tenth of all electricity consumed in the Netherlands comes from wind power, some of which is imported. The trains cant run as advertised on weak and intermittent wind power, and there is only one plug on the wall. wind power in the Netherlands generates 7.4 billion kWh (7.4TWh) of electricity annually, and according to BP the Netherlands total electricity generation in 2015 was 109.6TWh. [13] The wind farm demonstrates the growth in scale in wind power as between 1987 and 1991 it was the largest of its kind in Europe with 50 turbines and a total nameplate capacity of 15 MW. Physically it makes no difference as you say, but as HeavyWeather pointed out above my money is now going to fund reactors not Energiewende, so Im happy. Willem, you dont feel deprived by having 60Hz in the US. Homer-Dixon, Thomas. In this way, the Dutch railways aim to reduce the greatest negative environmental impact caused by CO2 in such a way that its demand actually contributes to the sustainable power generation in the Netherlands and Europe.. Yeap. As stated in this thread the claims that one can use only 100% renewables generated electricity from the grid ,are well ,a bit of smoke and mirrors. Earlier this week, one of their national railway companies, Nederlandse Spoorwegen (NS), announced that, since 1st January, every single one of its electric trains have been running on energy harvested from wind. NS has signed a contract with Eneco to guarantee the supply of this electricity. These. I cant help feeling that inexperienced power traders at NS will have been taken to the cleaners at the expense of passengers. This is hardly enough to make a big deal about. The farm was dismantled after 22 years service in 2016. Can Renewable Portfolio Standards make RE Work? Active 2020. Probably not. Their goal was to operate all NS trains on electricity produced by wind turbines by January 2018. It's a bit of smoke and mirrors but it helps to subside more expensive forms of generation. These wind turbines generate enough power to sustain the equivalent of 2.4 million homes. The US city of Philadelphia has taken regenerative braking to a new level though. Some of the newer larger wind farms currently under construction are replacing smaller turbines previously installed at given locations. There are very little poor people in Germany. I dont mind buying 100% renewable energy for my house ( I have got a small 6kw wind turbine which has supplied me for over 10 years) if it is the same price as normal electricity but I would not pay a premium for it as some suppliers charge. In this way, the Dutch railways aim to reduce the greatest negative environmental impact caused by CO2 in such a way that its demand actually contributes to the sustainable power generation in the Netherlands and Europe.. Sign up for our email newsletter! This question generated a number of comments in the last Blowout so I thought I would take a quick look at it. Dutch electricity company Eneco won a tender offered by NS two years ago and the two companies signed a 10-year deal setting January 2018 as the date by which all NS trains should run on wind energy. The Dutch railway folks have PPAs to buy energy only from renewable energy producers, and thus claim, our passenger trains run on renewable energy, but fail to add on a contract basis. However, the government wants 40% of the total electricity used in 2030 in the Netherlands to be supplied by wind. Two of the models are still under production. The electrons that run the electrified portion of the NS system come from many sources, including wind, but also from coal, natural gas, and nuclear. More than 12% of the Netherland's electricity is generated from renewable sources, mainly biomass and waste (5% of the total) and wind (7% of the total). New wind farm deployment is based on the SER agreement that describes a plan for five years of tendering 700 MW per year. Started operations 2009. [37] Other large wind farms are located in Delfzijl-zuid (43 MW),[30] Lelystad (46 MW), Terneuzen, (Koegorspolder, 44 MW), and Biddinghuizen (WP Kubbeweg, 34 MW). Everyone drawing energy from the grid is equal, on a physical basis. The turbines have a hub height of 135 metres (443ft) and each new turbine can generate as much electricity as all 50 turbines of the old wind farm combined. As Enecos account manager Michel Kerkhof pointed out, the key objective is to avoid procuring energy from the limited existing number of sustainable energy projects in the Netherlands, thus promoting renewable growth both domestically and Europe-wide., This partnership ensures that new investments can be made in even newer wind farms, which will increase the share of renewable energy, Kerkhof continued. In contrast to onshore wind farms, almost all turbines by January 2017 were situated in just a few large wind farms. Many small scale wind farms exist throughout the Netherlands which bear testament to earlier models of wind turbines and lesser known manufacturers which provided a range of niche products, ranging in size and power output. RE fans should understand that present mainstream RE technologies ( mostly PV and wind) require considerable real estate and in our small island one cannot travel very far without having a wind farm in view. So I know that its true, just as if I had read it in the Guardian. Snopes did not find evidence that Germany was experiencing a "total collapse" in wind and solar energy. One wind turbine running for an hour can power a train for 120 miles, the companies said. Do Dutch trains run on Wind? Just fit smart controls where their systems draw power from the grid. Some of the nations that supply power to NS such as Germany, Belgium, and Finland, do generate wind power, but only in modest amounts. quite an amount of work youve done there, It doesnt add up ! The Dutch government is looking to ramp up the nation's share of renewable energy from 4 percent in 2014 to 16 percent in 2023. One windmill running for an hour can power a train for 120 miles, the companies said. Temporarily, they might even have a surplus to sell. Many of these smaller companies were eventually acquired by the larger wind turbine manufactures such as Vestas, Siemens and Lagerwey. (Although Eneco, NSs wind power procurer, claims that its wind farm portfolio guarantees sufficient capacity to cover such eventualities . In addition, the use of conductor rails sets a speed limit on trains of about 160kph (100mph) above this, the metal contact blocks (called pickup shoes) can lose contact with the rail and result in a drop in power. No direct subsidies from the government are related to this contract.. Good for Nederlandse Spoorwegen. Were starting to see this ploy more often in recent years. Up until the Westereems Wind Park was commissioned the largest onshore wind farm was the Princess Alexia Windpark in Zeewolde (122MW),[36] consisting of 36 REpower turbines and a 3.2MW/33MWh battery storage power station of BMW i3 batteries. All renewable energy gets paid the FIT out of the so-called SDE budget. If NS consumes an amount of gray electricity, than other consumers who pay for gray electricity will get same amount of wind electricity mixed in their gray electricity. They hope to reduce the energy used per passenger by a further 35% by 2020 compared with 2005. In total, NS consumes around 1.2 TWh of electricity to power its trains. Rail networks source this electricity from the grid, and just like for our homes, its transmitted to them via high-voltage lines. I paid 1100 Euros/year for a 150 m2 house, at 1000 m altitude on the French alps, heating, hot water, everything included. These sites are also surveyed centrally by the government allowing developers to avoid costly and multiple surveys.[11]. So, as you can see, your silly view of the frrrench domestic heating habits are wrong, probably based on indoctrination from greenpiss or the like. Great post. While it was originally used to pump water or grind grain, wind is now helping Dutch commuters get to work. The rest is supplied by wind and solar power, which contribute about a fifth of the citys power. [3], In March 2022, the Dutch government announced that by 2030 offshore wind was to become the Netherlands' biggest power source, aiming at 21 GW of installed capacity.[4]. What the Netherlands gets when it imports it is the energy mix on the German grid. NS would only care for the environment as a PR stunt, not for the betterment of the planet. If it was based on the former there would a strong possibility that these companies could be oversubscribed with customers who may not receive true renewable energy when the wind does not blow. For NS to use only wind power from wind farms to power its rail system the wind farms must be connected directly to NSs railways. I do not know why this is, maybe a different ethane ratio? The point about this is that it is just PR. Wind turbines feed electricity into the grid and the electric company credits them for the electricity. The company aims to further reduce consumption by 2 percent a year with an energy efficiency program, with total consumption already reduced by 30 percent since 2005. The historical land of windmills is leading . The company said all electric trains were now powered by wind energy. heavyweather~ Im sure you can link us to sites which prove your point. [14] A second hand market for turbines also exists, which could grow as older turbines are replaced by larger newer ones. They have been working with Eneco, a sustainable energy supplier operating in the Netherlands, for several years. This page was last edited on 14 January 2023, at 23:49. During these periods wind generation in the neighboring Netherlands would also have fallen to low levels. All wind amd solar energy gets a hefty FIT tariff in the Netherlands, intended to guarantee profitability of the energy investment over the long term (even if the electricity market price goes negative, for example). BBC News. Their original goal was to transition the trains to 100 percent renewable energy by 2018, but that target was moved up after reaching 75 percent in 2016. Even the two Dutch wind farms with which NS contracts directly for wind power, Noordoostpolder and Luchterduinen, are tied generally to the Dutch grid and not tied directly into the NS rail system. However, it seems officials have been able to beat that goal by an entire year. At least they are investing in renewable energy. It is 100% powered by electric. The commercials know that the public will probably think that the commercial parties are spending out of the goodness of their hearts, to save the planet. Its our offshore coal burn. The two Dutch wind farms that have contracted to sell power to NS (Noordoostpolder and Luchterduinen) are both connected directly to the Dutch grid, along with all the other power plants in the country, and NS draws its power from the grid: Figure 3: The Netherlands' electricity grid. To aver otherwise displays ignorance or deception. Hughes did write that some windmills might not recoup their energy-construction costs, but he didn't assert, as the meme implied, that no windmills will ever generate as much energy as was invested in building them. The Netherlands currently has a total of 2,200 wind turbines across the country, according to DutchNews.nl. Wind power now supplies about 10% of Belgiums electricity, so power imported from the Belgian grid will be about 10% wind. The Same Reason You Would Study Anything Else, The (Mostly) Quantum Physics Of Making Colors, This Simple Thought Experiment Shows Why We Need Quantum Gravity, How The Planck Satellite Forever Changed Our View Of The Universe. But in reality, the commercial parties are making a double killing: getting free money throughout the FIT contract (paid for 100% by households) *and* profiting from the PR value of presenting themselves as selflessly investing their own money in wind and solar energy for the planet. Several commercial parties have now caught onto the PR value of claiming they are not getting government subsidies for their investment in renewable energy. The Dutch Railways Company NS is the world's first railway company that gets 100% of its energy from wind energy. Stations are heated using heat exchangers, green gas or green electricity. You may have a battery bank to store some of it in case of an outage, but mostly it will go to the electric company and they credit you. You are not really concerned about the energy bills of the poor. A two-megawatt windmill contains 260 tonnes of steel requiring 170 tonnes of. There are very little poor people in Germany., http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/high-costs-and-errors-of-german-transition-to-renewable-energy-a-920288.html, The Spiegel FUD wont cut it. The real electricity they use is of course no more or less green than other companies on the same grid use. 2015 was a record year for new installations in the Netherlands with 586 MW added of which 180 MW were offshore. EDF was 13.44p but I keep reading comments about how RE fans should take electricity only from PV and wind turbines, so I decided I should do the same. It feels to many like progress. There are very little poor people in Germany. So how does NS justify the claim that all Dutch trains run on 100% wind power? Roger, And given that the company carries 600,000 people per day, the amount of electricity they need isnt trivial around 1.2 billion kWh of electricity a year. These include the 580km NorNed submarine cable (700 MW) link to Norway, the 1,000 MW BritNed cable link to the United Kingdom and the COBRA cable link to Denmark (700 MW). This was 2015 data, so the wind fraction seems to have gone up from 7% to 10% but coal is really powering those trains at least 3x more than wind hey, coal powered trains, where have I heard that before? For high-speed trains, overhead wires are the better choice. Dutch trains to be wind-powered from 2018. Wheres the renewable engy only socket? Yeah, that'show energy works. An earlier version said all Dutch trains were now 100% powered by wind-generated electricity, according to the national railway company NS. The two Dutch wind farms that have contracted to sell power to NS (Noordoostpolder and Luchterduinen) are both connected directly to the Dutch grid, along with all the other power plants in the country, and NS draws its power from the grid: Figure 3: The Netherlands electricity grid. However the electricity is delivered to the train, once its there, it is used to power lights, and air-conditioning, as well as the traction motors, which are what turn the trains wheels. Stuart Belgium and Finland, wind farm portfolio guarantees sufficient capacity to cover such eventualities, http://www.sciencealert.com/all-electric-trains-in-the-netherlands-are-now-100-powered-by-wind-energy, http://www.djtelectricaltraining.co.uk/downloads/50Hz-Frequency.pdf, http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-e1-and-vs-t1/, https://askjaenergy.com/2015/03/23/does-apple-not-want-truly-green-data-centers/. But if youre reading this and thinking How can trains run on electricity?, fear not. According to Cleantechnica London Undergrounds system provides 600V of direct current to their conductor rails, still enough to be potentially lethal. "So we in fact reached our goal a year earlier than planned," spokesman Ton Boon told AFP. At near the speed of light, is there such a thing as national or regional energy mix, other than in our habit forming minds? The construction of these wind farms along with others in the Netherlands, Belgium, and Finland helped NS and Eneco to hit their target so far ahead of schedule. Yes, they are called dwarves, or possibly hobbits. This article was amended on 11 January 2017. power for over 400,000 households every day, a figure roughly equivalent to the number of households in the Northern Netherlands.[13]. Because theyre just one part of a wider grid, most train operators use electricity from a mix of different sources coal-fired generators, nuclear plants, hydropower or, in the case of Nederlandse Spoorwegen, exclusively from wind turbines. It seems small compared with our renewables subsidies in the UK, which are of the order fo 150-450 times as big per MWh. The supply of wind power to the Dutch grid will also not be constant. Thanks for the correction Lars. With this, offshore wind energy makes an important contribution to achieving the increased climate target of 55% less CO2-emissions. Its production also does not use any natural raw materials or food production resources. And only half of the wind power NS has contracted for comes from the Netherlands. https://ecommons.cornell.edu/bitstream/handle/1813/5329/Bothi_BEEThesis.pdf;sequence=1, When wind power is fed into a grid it becomes inextricably mixed with all the vibrating electrons from other generation sources to the point where there is no way of knowing where any power taken from the grid came from.. Money doesnt matter to me. [21], In November 2011, the Dutch government decided to no longer fund 6 billion per year to maintain subsidized wind kWh at 0.18. Not big money, even on 100TWh. http://electronicdesign.com/power/google-s-renewable-energy-plan-what-it-seems, Telling fibs has become so fashionable that everyone and his train or server wants to be in on it. You know all that and simply fabricate a problem where there is non. , I am told Biogas is not actually allowed in our pipeline system.. NS claims 100% wind power because it has a contract with various wind farms to produce enough energy to power its rail system, but this is just an accounting transaction, writes author Roger Andrews. So we in fact reached our goal a year earlier than planned, said Boon, adding that an increase in the number of wind farms across the country and off the coast of the Netherlands had helped NS achieve its aim. Half of that total is expected to come from foreign sources in Scandinavia and elsewhere, with the rest generated in the Netherlands. http://www.djtelectricaltraining.co.uk/downloads/50Hz-Frequency.pdf. Only a small fraction of the power delivered to its trains actually comes from wind.. There is a DC interconnector (LitPol, 500 MW) between Lithuania and Poland now, and in addition the NordBalt (DC 700 MW) between Sweden and Lithuania. Plus, it turns out that about half the electricity NS uses to power its rail system comes from outside of the Netherlands. Fossil fuel-fired power plants produced over 80% of the electricity in the Netherlands, mainly natural gas (42%) and coal (35%). If you want to be generous to NS, you can say that the BritNed interconnector is definitely being fed by the coal fired Maasvlakte power stations when it is delivering 1GW to the UK, because theyre right next door to the HVDC converters. Heating with electricity is their homemade problem that escalates bills for the poor with no alternative. Even the two Dutch wind farms with which NS contracts directly for wind power, Noordoostpolder and Luchterduinen, are tied generally to the Dutch grid and not tied directly into the NS rail system. It goes back to the start of 2016, and includes the Netherlands as well as Belgium and the Nordic countries (and Germany) that NS claim to be supplied by. The best of EcoWatch, right in your inbox. First some details on the Netherlands electricity sector. Netherlands take e-mobility to next level: 100% of countrys trains are powered by #wind: https://t.co/U1oDry30ll pic.twitter.com/c0vrXxrDZl, UN Climate Change (@UNFCCC) January 10, 2017. The other thing most people (at least in the US) dont consider when they see stories like this: A country like the Netherlands is literally 1/3 the size of the state of Ohio. Since 2017 , 100% of Dutch electric trains have been powered by wind energy. Passing through the gates without traveling, Forgetting to check in or out and requesting refunds, Sustainable accessibility of the Netherlands, More information about NS buses that run on HVO. The company said all electric trains were now powered by wind energy. Instead of trains recovering energy for their own use, any excess power is directed to a centralized bank of lithium-ion batteries. The Netherlands imports wind power basically because its falling behind its EU renewable energy targets. Once stored, this electricity can be sold to the main power grid, helping the city to top up peak demand, and earning the train company money in the process. (End of excerpt). This record was immediately beaten the following year with another 766 MW being added. In late 2015, the Dutch government announced its goal to power the country's electric trains entirely with wind power by 2018. The problem with the high costs for heating in France is the really poor quality of the dwellings, their poor insulating and cheap quality whatever means of heating one uses its literally money thrown away. [5] In 2020 wind power provided 11.54% of the Dutch electricity generation (see table above) while solar power provided an additional 7.25% for a combined 18.79% - easily meeting the target without taking other renewable sources into account, even though the target for onshore wind capacity was not met. 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