I have to do more research on how these powerhouse preachers are false teachers), teaching unbiblical prayer practices (I cant find where she teaches women about contemplative prayer~ but Im still lookin! *People who blessed us. Finally, you summed up your blog post on why Christian women shouldnt follow, support or receive teaching from Priscilla Shirer because she teaches men (though I cant find evidence of this but Im still lookin! Thats why I said may have been. Whether that particular moment in time was, in fact, the moment that Priscilla was introduced to false doctrine and false teachers can be debated, but the fact of the matter is that she came under the influence of false teachers at some point and still unequally yokes herself to them and teaches false doctrine today. Jesus starts with a biblical truth and uses a story (parable) to illustrate or give an example of that biblical truth. There are two ways in which living in Christ helps us live beyond our fears: knowing that He is completely trustworthy, and doing as He calls us to do. She begins most lessons with a story or personal experience, uses these stories to formulate her own spiritual principles, and then adds in a smattering of Bible verses (often out of context) to support her ideas. Let's not go beyond what the Lord says through His Word. Contributed by Wade Martin Hughes, Sr on Sep 22, 2016 | 5,774 views This is a two part lesson as we consider are we going along que sera, sera? Rebekah gave the servant water but also volunteered to water the 10 camels as well. After the service, people went by the preacher, tired and exhausted. In our modern Yes, Im afraid thats exactly whats happening. In Matthew 18:15-18, It carefully lays out a process of correcting fellow Christians that have sinned. I do not think the bible says anything about women speaking in public as long as their not pastors, and she is not talking to men she is talking to ladies. I've done this so that you can learn what it means not to go beyond what has been written and so none of you will become arrogant by supporting one of us against the other. (HaHaHa~ I KNOW Im going to be asked about this one by the ladies in our study. read more, Scripture: Grace&Peace in Christ brother travis & sister tori, Thanks so much, Travis. Furthermore (since Priscilla looks to tangible experiences and anecdotal evidence as support for her ideas), both anecdotal church history and the experiences of Christians who are alive today prove this idea to be false. Go beyond what's familiar. But we hope that as your faith increases, our area of influence among you will greatly increase as well, 16 so that we can preach the gospel in the regions beyond you. What is your belief regarding Israel and the plan God has for the future of Israel? she said what she means by that is, to see biblical womanhood flourish would be a great joy! No, Im not violating Scripture by teaching men when they read or comment on my blog. where those who recognize the deception and want to speak up, will have a place to go. rather than on the Bible. My heart longs for you to grow in the grace and knowledge of Christ by learning the truth of His word. Michelle, Priscilla partners and associates with false teachers such as Joyce Meyer, Christine Caine,Joel and Victoria Osteen, Beth Moore, and T.D. God has not instructed women to preach to or instruct men. If you dont sync with their teaching, dont follow them. Reblogged this on Eternally Secured and commented: 7 Steps to Figuring it Out on Your Own helpful in understanding biblically whether or not someone is a false teacher. It will help you better understand biblical discernment and the fact that Jesus, Paul, John, Jude and others were pretty negative when it came to false teachers, too! to me she lacks conviction of the word I dont hear it; she reminds me of Joel Osteen and thats not a compliment. Genesis 24:1-4. I am currently getting familiar with blogs for Christian ladies and your thorough, scholarly, biblical recommendations are absolutely invaluable. If thats not you, no need to read further, and I apologize in for any offense. No where did she usurp authority etc. The proper method of teaching Scripture is exegesis. And the Bible says that women are not to preach to or instruct men, or to hold authority over men in the gathered body of Believers, the church. (Oh my goodness~ thank you for using the term hermeneutics, eisegesis and exegesis! God knew what He was doing. John says virtually the same thing, and adds that to partner with false teachers is to take part in their wicked works. Going Beyond Obedience. All of these people are proponents of the false and anti-biblical Word of Faith (prosperity gospel) doctrine, and the Jakeses are also modalists. The sweet missionary who taught us wide-eyed teenagers has since passed into Heaven. As Joshua was facing the end of his life, he challenged the people to chose, the choice they would make would define them as a people. I am asking the following question to understand your doctrinal views. You may have loved her in War Room and want to buy her books. And His promises will never let you down or disappoint you. Therefore, it is my recommendation that women not follow, support, or receive teaching from Priscilla Shirer or Going Beyond Ministries at this time. #1 You have noted that Priscilla preaches to and instructs men in the Scriptures but I cant find the link. Do not eat or drink for three days, night or day. Throughout Im sure you can find other examples on YouTube if you need them. read more, Scripture: Our Ladies Bible Study started a new season on January 5 with Priscilla Shires Armor of God. Two of the three best known sources Ive listed, Justin Peters and Aimee Byrd, are Reformed. Lastly, although you are not directly in front of Travis Arnett, Saikowoods, Taylor Dunn & Seth Dunn, all of which are men who have posted here They are Reading & commenting on your comments and blog, thus you are teaching men. These women are an excellent entry way in to the faith. "Those from among you will rebuild the ancient ruins; You will raise up the age-old foundations; And you will be called the repairer of the breach, The restorer of the streets in which to dwell. As a womens leader at your church are you not often asked questions to clarify your personal views? If a woman is supposedly knowledgeable enough about the Bible to be in the position of teaching and authoring, yet doesnt understand or obey such a basic biblical truth, what does that say about the rest of her knowledge of the Bible? Grr! Not from Scripture. This is a two part lesson as we consider are we going along que sera, sera? Then Judah said to Onan, "Go in to your brother's wife, and perform your duty as a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother." Romans 15:1 Verse Concepts Now we who are strong ought to bear the weaknesses of those without strength and not just please ourselves. Thats not an accusation, its a statement of fact. Jakes church, The Potters House, where, during a Gods Leading Ladiesgraduation ceremony, Priscilla accepted the Lady of Destiny award. Its not about doing good works to get myself into heaven, like going to church every Bible Verses about 'Beyond'. read more, Scripture: Going Beyond Ministries with Priscilla Shirer - The Mercy of Our Great God (March 24, 2017) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon at Celebration Church (co-"pastored" by a woman) Priscilla Shirer: YOUR Spiritual Battle & the Armor of God (Full Teaching) | Praise on TBN (May 21, 2021) Priscilla preaching to a co-ed audience at Passion 2018 One Sunday, the preacher went on for a little longer than normal. 2:57- Do you know that of the original two million Jewish people only two actually ever made it? I am curious about this comment, I realize this post is old so I dont know if it will be read however, based on the above article and your statements in your article referenced at the top this man who is talking about reading from your blog and learning from you is sinning by being under your teaching. Can you please provide a list of female speakers/writers whom you do recommend? I hope youll find my response helpful anyway :0). #3- There are a couple of links in the additional resources section that deal with Priscillas teaching of contemplative prayer, but I really should have included one in the paragraph itself, so Ive fixed that. Yet, I noticed in your comments that you did not once appeal to Scripture or support your position with Scripture. Ive subscribed to both for several years, so I can tell you thats not the kind of writing they do (though Challies did feature and link to Aimee Byrds review of Fervent in his 12/21/15 A La Carte segment). Elizabeth. read more, Scripture: Christianity and Adversity: Corona Virus and a Faith Based approach http://lisaharper.net/calendarevents/. CARM has done articles on Beth Moore, Joyce Meyer, and some other well-known false teachers, which Ive linked to in other articles. With continuous prayer, we have decided to proceed with her study but with open eyes to the objections you brought up. Until that time, however, it saddens me to have to recommend that Christian women not follow Priscilla Shirer or any materials or activities from Going Beyond Ministries for the following reasons: Priscilla unrepentantly preaches to and instructs men in the Scriptures in violation of 1 Timothy 2:12-14(as well as other passages of Scripture that do not allow this). Who then do you believe has not sinned and is qualified to teach Gods Word? Though the consequences of the sin of instructing men may not appear to be severe, it is just as much of a sin as any other sin you can think of: adultery, lying, stealing, drunkenness, and so on. #1- Thank you so much for letting me know that link was broken. Was Jesus gossiping in Matthew 16:6, 11,12 when He said, Beware the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees? Do you interpret scripture to mean women should not witness to all people; share the gospel message to all nations not just other women or children? Defining Moment; Joshua 24 Preached at Midway Community Church June 11, 2000; Have been vetting her this was very helpful! but I do know that I love Jesus and Im going to heaven, so Im just fine with that. You should learn from us not to go beyond what is written in Scripture. read more, Scripture: This is how people learn and grow in their faith. If you are considering commenting or sending me an e-mail objecting to the fact that I warn against false teachers, please click here and read this article first. Kay Arthur, Beth Moore, and Priscilla Shirer Believe In Teaching Men Tooat Surphs Side. She seems somewhat self righteous. I dont think you read my comment carefully enough. Heres just one example of Priscilla preaching to men: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fIzWbXvfps. Could you please provide me with a link to an article or video where she says that so I can check it out? Your defense of Moore and Shirer is based only on your own experiences and opinions. I would recommend reading the book reviews and listening to the sermon reviews. Did you mean youre unsure whether or not she preaches to men? Lord, thank You that You are the Good Shepherd and You speak and we hear Your voice. Evangelical Dark Web. I also have a few tape recording of her Bible Studies that were done either in her Sunday School or her Tuesday Bible Study Meetings where she actually dismisses men from the room when she was at a church in Houston. If you wouldnt follow a male pastor or Bible teacher who was open and unrepentant about committing adultery or shoplifting or getting plowed every weekend, why would you follow any female Bible teacher who preaches to and instructs men? Neil knows much more about New Testament studies than I do, but I'm not sure how far forward we can go with the New Testament, given that most of its writers believed their world was about to pass away. God doesnt limit to a select few the number of Christians who are able to grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus the way He limited entrance to the Promised Land. - Jonah 2:10. The riches of His word are amazing! Well, man, if theres only going to be a handful of people experiencing what weve learned on the pewthen I want one of those to be me., The story of Joshua and Caleb being the only ones to enter the Promised Land has absolutely no connection whatsoever with how many Christians today will be able to achieve intimacy with God. But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil. But I dont recall her suggesting that Christians meditate or pursue contemplative prayer. Matthew 18 does not apply to public false teaching. Real hope is only found in the true Christ of Scripture, and thats not what Beth and Priscilla teach. Hey brother Saiko Woods! read more, Scripture: My exact words were: I knew she was his daughter, but Im completely unfamiliar with him or his doctrine. Since I made that comment, Ive seen several endorsements of Priscilla Shirer and her materials by Tony Evans, so I guess that tells us his perspective and the fact that hes not very discerning. Im not seeing anyone speaking against her except small sources. Its a complete waste of time. I KNOW this original post is over a year old. Also, if you will read the article hyperlinked at the very top of this article, right underneath the title, where it says, If youre considering commenting it will answer your objections- with Scripture. Hi Lisa- I think the articles in my Rock Your Role series will help answer your questions and give you a biblical understanding of womens roles in the church. I have to admit that I do not know the entire Biblical passage on this, Going Beyond Ministries is focused on the expository teaching of the Word of God. Here they are promoting silence. My co-leader read your thoughts about Priscilla and I presented your views to the members of our study. Please see the links to our EXTRA Bible Study notes at the bottom of the page. THE CALL? Verse Concepts. Second, almost without exception, every female Bible teacher I know of who unrepentantly instructs men also teaches other doctrinal error (usually Word of Faith, New Apostolic Reformation or seeker driven false doctrine). Jonah 2:10. I KNOW this is a looooong series of questions about Priscilla Shirer that was stimulated by your post. People who are genuinely born again have a hunger and thirst for studying the truth of Gods word and growing in Christ. Mark 7:31-37 I read myself into scripture, too! Matthew 14:15-16. Morning Service read more, Scripture: I really dont want to study scripture with/ from someone who is knowingly sinning by leading His lambs astray. Where does the Bible teach this? Philippians 4:13 Verse Concepts I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. And yet you thank him as opposed to rebuking him. Ill let you know how we continue our course of action. As a womens leader at your church are you not often asked questions to clarify your personal views? It just says dont. Period. Glad to know i am not the only dude that reads this wonderful sisters blog. I have no doubt that others have confronted her about these things. 7 Steps to Figuring it Out on Your Own, It Should Happen Rarely, But It Shouldnt Be Ignored | The Outspoken TULIP, Is Priscilla Shirer false teacher? Personal experiences can be evidence of the truth of rightly handled and understood Scripture, but not vice versa. Going by her recent appearances, she no longer seems to have any reservations about violating the Scriptures that prohibit her from teaching and preaching to men. I wont be publishing comments or answering emails that are answered by this article. We would be unified around the truth of Scripture. Matthew 9:32-38. Before you answer No too quickly, consider that we cannot live without fear. Priscilla often uses poor hermeneutics when handling Gods word. In closing out this conversation, I would strongly encourage you to continue practicing what youve said- just study your Bible in a systematic way, using good hermeneutics, and stay away from false teachers like Priscilla Shirer. Baptist. I think I dont think I feel If youre a Christian, what you think, feel, believe, say, and do is supposed to be governed by Scripture. My point to your previous reply to me is that I refer to my bible for instructions from the Holy Spirit as to my role in the body of Christ.. I dont know half of your theological terminology, A. Combining elements of Eastern mysticism and New Age spirituality, this practice of emptying the mind and listening for Gods voice is found nowhere in Scripture. Often God reveals more through discussions and scripture references. And if I perish, I perish. If not, she does not know the Bible well enough to be teaching (James 3:1). (Also, lets please try to keep things friendly and polite, OK?). The Mailbag: Is It OK for Christian Women to Wear Bikinis? Go beyond putting ourselves first. You just dont have enough time or energy to respond to every Tom, Dick and Mary.). 5:7 ). Let's find out as we begin this study in discernment, Choose What Is Right. If I might, it would be my joy to help you out with this. Thank you so much for your consideration, - But such as is common to man; rather, except such as is human; i.e. If youre in need of suggestions of doctrinally sound blogs for women, go to the top of this page and click on Recommended Bible Teachers. Ive got two lists of 10 up there, and another one coming in the near future. Wow! You could choose to simply pick up your Bible and study it. 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Our new series is designed and I believe inspired by the Holy Spirit to show how Christianity is not just about going to church on Sunday morning. I cant but take this article with only a grain of salt. read more, Scripture: Did you feel any kind of fear? This is not a new idea. Thank you, Michelle! When a choice you make or an incident happens that will from that moment define some aspect of your life! She was the chosen bride, not for doing the minimum, but for going beyond the expected. Id encourage you not to take my word for it, but to examine the evidence against Scripture (in context, of course) for yourself. Often, when readers express their disagreement, they do so in a very vicious and attacking way, so I really appreciate it when someone politely expresses herself. All of the resources and links Ive included are from credible sources (The disclaimer at the top of the list simply means I have not read everything ever written by every single resource Ive listed. What Priscilla and so many others do is pretty much the opposite of a parable. #4a I see where you noted that Priscilla uses poor hermeneutics when handling Gods word. No-one is beyond reach. 1 Samuel 30:6-8, Denomination: Beth and Priscilla both teach a false Jesus and a false gospel. I understand that you have your opinion about Mrs Shirer but to judge I do not think God led you to write this check your heart. Or will we apply extra effort and go beyond our duty? I couldnt find these terms in my Bible! I knew she was his daughter, but Im completely unfamiliar with him or his doctrine. Jakes daughter), Priscilla Shirers promo page at Hillsong, Priscilla Shirer, featured speaker at Hillsongs 2016 Colour ConferencewithBrian Houston, Bobbie Houston, andChristine Caine. Priscillas friendliness and genuine care for Christian women seem to shine throughevery word she speaks and writes. So instructing men is a red flag to watch for if youre looking for a doctrinally sound teacher. John 14:1-4, Luke 10:18-20, 1 Corinthians 15:19. Mark 10:46-53 You are an intelligent woman. In Acts 17:11, the Bereans are praised for comparing everything Paul said to Scripture to see if it was true. Thank you! Hope this helps, and thanks for the comment :0). Then why did you ask me any questions? The result is that those doctrines and beliefs often conflict with Scripture because theyre not based on Scripture but a fallible personal experience. But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not . Mark 10:46-53, Denomination: 5. Again, just because its your opinion that theres nothing wrong with it doesnt mean its OK if the Bible says otherwise. The salvation of unreached people throughout history. Thanks for stopping by! 2. Still, knowing his perspective and the fact that hes her father doesnt change the fact that what Priscilla Shirer is doing is wrong. Choose What Is Right: A Study in Discernment ~ Lesson 1- Introduction, Going Beyond Scripture: Why It's Time to Say Good-Bye to Priscilla Shirer and Going Beyond Ministries, The Mailbag: Celebrity Christian Hot Takes (Driscoll, Graham, Groeschel, Lewis, Lucado, Piper, Vallotton), Leaving Lysa: Why You Shouldn't Be Following Lysa TerKeurst or Proverbs 31 Ministries, Doctrinally Sound Christian Men to Follow - 1, Bible Gateway- Fantastic concordance and other Bible tools, CARM- Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry, Christian Answers for the New Age (Marcia Montenegro). This is a promotional clip not a scriptural teaching. Thanks so much for sharing this with me, Kelly! If you need more information, Id suggest BereanResearch.org, FightingForTheFaith.com, CARM.org, GTY.org, and Apprising.org. Id like to ask, was Kenneth Hagin also a false preacher, because he dealt extensively with this issue of women preaching in his book, and made several clarifications in his book The Women Question. And how their lives could be changed, too. The true bride will always go beyond the minimal requirements. Heres an example of Priscilla preaching to men and yoking with a false teacher as she preaches the Sunday sermon at Joel Osteens Lakewood Church: Priscilla teaches Christians to listen for Gods voice in an unbiblical form of prayer called contemplative prayer. Scripture is very clear that people like Priscilla Shirer who teach false doctrine confuse and stir up evil among believers: I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. - Femina Sola Gratia Is she a false teacher? As Christians, we are to follow and obey Gods written word, the Bible, not our own opinions. The reason I refer people in on line conversations to my articles is so I dont have to regurgitate what Ive already written. My wife is grateful because of the resources, and because of what she said is best described as like mindedness,(She is sitting beside me by the way!) *It's always a good idea to look back over life and think about the people who have made a difference: People who helped us in a time of need. I thought most people read themselves in scripture. What does the Bible say about discerning between true and false doctrine? CEB Brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit. Also, if you had read the paragraph at the very top of this article and clicked on please click here and read this article first, your initial question in this comment (about sin) would have been answered. She sounds really nice and charismatic and thats about it but my spirit doesnt bear witness with her. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. God speaks to us and teaches us through the careful study and preaching of His word, not through subjective voices, feelings, and experiences in the rhythms of everyday living (what, precisely, does that phrase even mean?) For example, the Bible clearly says that women are not to preach to or teach men in the church (2 Timothy 2:12). She does teach and preach to men whether I say she does or not. She has no control over who reads her blogs. INTRODUCTION Some of the points you bring up give me pause. B. I am curious, have you confronted Priscilla Shirer of this sin. If you could give me some rightly handled, in context, chapter and verse Scripture to back up your opinions and beliefs, we could talk about it. if there is a WOMENS Conference, and books written for women, and Bible Studies written for women, all of them are geared to women, they cant really help men being in attendance of their own perogative, Being a person of great influence and wealth, he had demanded that he be given a place in the group because he wanted to "perform" before Priscilla Shirer on Hearing the Voice of God on Issues, Etc. My point to your previous reply to me is that I refer to my bible for instructions from the Holy Spirit as to my role in the body of Christ. If a pastor (or husband- Beth has also said she is acting under her husbands mantle of authority) tries to give her that authority, he is putting himself in the place of God who has prohibited it and he is sinning, too. Like The Gospel Coalition, CARM, Tim Challies, etc?) 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