Thats a piss poor reason to buy a gun but some how it came home with me anyway. so im not sure if this is an actual problem or not as this (v12) is my first ak platform weapon of any kind. But i WILL b racking the hell outta that sgm mag once i get home because the issue seems to be alot worse with the sgm. Pasted as rich text. The benelli M2 tactical starts at 1,499 plus tax plus dros. As the author said, it was a solution looking for a problem. Please post a video of this if you can. The first Saiga I bought did not have any problems at all, it's a matter of Quality Control at the factory. Polishing Molot Vepr 12 and Saiga 12 Author: takkuta The VEPR has the standard Krebs adapter affixed. In the old stone quarry, I ran five loads through the VEPR-12 for patterning at 15 yards. The safety on the m1 rifle and several other firearms is in the trigger gaurd. Display as a link instead, (I know that it probably would not cause this issue, but it's something easy to check). And instead of rocking the magazines into place like on a standard AK, they simply slot straight into the receiver. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Photo by Jeff Jones. Thats no different than saying I tested a Delton AR15 that jammed so this Daniel Defense AR15 is an inferior weapon to a Winchester 70.. Given that, it was easy to let the Saiga goguessing the Vepr wouldnt be much different. Thx all for the feedback, glad this isnt contributing to my fte issuesback to the drawing board for me. Theres a full length rail along the top of the receiver for your optics and other gubbins. I thought about the annoyance of trying to load magazines (cant leave them loaded for years on end or the springs get even less reliable), rock & lock, and engage an intruder Id have to ask for a time out and heaven forbid the darn thing jams as sometimes happened at the range. The overall includes everything overall subjective opinion and shooting experience, price considerations, etc and is not simply an average of the limited preceding categories. So unless the river is running around with bolt locked back which is stupid, thats the only time the tab could be an issue. In this video I do a short review of my new Vepr 12 and test the shotgun using both high brass and low brass ammunition. It worked for me and now I have a smooth running gun that I'm proud to own. is this normal? If so ensure you replaced everything properly. This review almost had me until two things happened. I was finally able to take my Vepr 12 out this morning to shoot. Yet it never fails. If you dont like the stock, replace it with something else like you would do on an AR. Cmaro21. About 5 min with a dremmel and you can add a little more value to your gun, of course you should always .make the gun 922r compliant first. In no way do I represent the opinion of TTAG when I say: if you dont like the subjective ratings, then simply ignore them. their 00B really are 00 sized, and are generally harder, rounder and plated, as well as buffered. Joined Jan 26, 2009 . You are all CRAZY. Ok, then which semi-auto magazine fed shotgun are you comparing it to? But the form factor of the magazines limit your capacity, and are you really going to take the time to strap on extra shotgun magazines before checking on what that noise downstairs was? This results in roughness in the action and (FTE) Failure to Eject problems. Are you using the factory magazine or aftermarket? Two groups of 8 rounders = 32 rounds and is way less cumbersome than the drums and reloads leave other semiautos and pumps in the dust. True the manual from I mash is terrible, but 10min on the s12 forums fixes that problem. We shoot through a full magazine of mix batch random ammo for a nice surprise for the shooter. the gas piston threaded into the bolt carrier has a little play in it side to side where it actually threads into the bolt carrier. It sure has hell seems like a lot of people commenting on here have never even handled a Vepr 12. I am familiar with their products for a quite a long time, but now they got a buttstock with adaptor Pre-break in its a little pesky. Shame on you. Top competitors compete with what their sponsors tell them to so they serve as walking advertisements. Yes we had some problems at first but it wasn't. The dust cover is hinged to the shotgun, allowing the user to open and close the cover without losing the zeroing of a mounted optic. AK-47 Tips/Tricks, Links, Content and Buyer Guides. For that reason, why would they go to the trouble of polishing and beautifully machining their internals when they don't need to. $699 classic firearms they cant keep them in stock tho sell out with in one two weeks and takes a second for em to get em again. Not bad, actually. ! The gun suffers from the same parallax issues that the Saiga had, since the sights are over an inch above the top of the barrel, and if youre spending this kind of money on a dedicated trap or skeet gun there are much better suited choices out there. Your bolt could also be an issue, but I would have to see pictures.Let me know if you upload any new pictures, and I'll take another look. My gas puc is right, but I'm glad my gas tube and spacing look OK because that is what I was worried about. I think the best point in this review is what do you use it for? Its much more convenient and a lot quicker to reload. Powered by Invision Community. Total Length: 42 in / 1070 mm. So I start Googling Vepr 12 , Vepr 12 problems and I come across www.Vepr.org message board. http://sinistralrifleman.com/2012/02/01/the-saiga-12-saga/, Im not gonna get into the whole bias argument.I would just like to point out that only AFTER reading the entire review, and well into the comments section did I see someone correct you on the fact there IS a manual bolt hold open on this particular weapon. Theres a rubber pad on the stock that wallows from one side to the other much like the cheek pad on a SVD rifle, and while it seems like a good idea in practice it tends to move around quite a lot and just get in the way. A similar question could ale be asked: why not include price as a gradeable category? You cannot paste images directly. Everybody who I have personally seen that had an s12 that ftfd didnt set the regulator correctly. Home defense, war, Armageddon is what its designed for. To my dismay, she would only cycle high brass, buckshot, and slug rounds. For full power buckshot loads it runs flawlessly. Even a brass bead is over thinking it in my book. I can see MAYBE using the VEPR 12 with a 20-round drum of Dragons Breath to fry the crippled bastard after Ive tartard his @$$ but thats just to make sure they dont get up again like in a horror film. You need to insert and empty magazine and then rack the action back, which is an extra step for something so crucial. The Vepr-12 also incorporates a unique safety catch and bolt release mechanism. I guess I'm different in that I never look for a "end-all-be-all" firearm be it hand/long. There could be some metal shavings or residue in the trigger components that might be causing this issues, but that is just a guess. I get lots of help. I went through 8 guns to get 3 that worked. Even with the availability of Saiga-12 and VEPR-12 shotguns, the pro 3-gun shooters still dont use them. There are other firearms with way more aftermarket parts available. From what I understand, you are not supposed to use low brass ammo in the VEPR12 - it's in the manual somewhere. Finally I had a gun that cycled smoothly and fired effortlessly! Chinese products were not taken into account as in the past already had some issues with them. The commercial load that I think makes most sense for HD is a #4 buck higher velocity load with the flight control wad that Federal sells as a coyote buster. The factory recoil assembly can be the reason for (FTE)Failure to Eject problems. We take the VEPR 12 Shotgun out for a spin on the range. Their new loads are badass. By The height over bore with a VEPR-12 or Saiga makes a bead not work well. I heard an intruder in my house once and grabbed my Vaquero. No problems for me as of yet. See Features. I also own a Mossberg 930 and Ive fired slugs from my friends Savage 12 gauge. Price wasnt a prior category. You can adjust, but shooting at different distances will be an issue.. It did make contact but nothing out of the ordinary from what I can tell. Resolving feeding and ejecting problems of Molot Vepr 12 and Saiga 12 shotguns. Wanted to obtain a collapsible No, I just tried and the hammer resets even if I pull the charging handle back less than would be required for a shell ejection, which it is. Onetap, I am assuming your problem is with the trigger somewhere, but I can't be certain. The sights are nice, and the full length rail along the top is a very nice touch, but it would be more useful if the stock wouldnt get in the way so much. People said the m16 was a solution in search of a problem to, Umm the XRAIL is $$$ ( I could buy two JM Mossburg 930s instead ) and puts a huge weight WAY out from the shooters body, so for less money I can pickup a 25 round drum magazine that I can slot in and out much easier than reloading the XRAIL. Paste as plain text instead, With the array of ammo, loads, shot type, etc, making one that runs everything is near impossible. So I suppose you ran your 3 gun AR bone stock with zero modifications then. The Only Time the tab is visible is when the bolt is locked back. Due to the large difference in size between the 7.6239mm cartridge and 12-gauge shells, the extractor port has been lengthened, allowing the shotgun to eject spent shells without risk of causing a stovepipe malfunction. Take advantage of our guide rod install service, available here:http://dissidentarms.com/index.php/product/da-recoil-rod-installation/, Works on all Saiga 12, 20, 410 and Vepr 12 shotguns, Abel Anthony Sign In; Register . Loans no. Barrel Length: 19 in / 483 mm. Weight w/o Magazine: 9.7 lbs / 4.4 kg. I think my next plan of action will be to polish the bolt carrier rails and see if that garners any results.other than that imma just run the hell out of some heavy loads. Trying to make it a skeet gone is a joke. I keep a competition Beretta for skeet shooting and my mossberg 500 and Benelli m4 share the roll of home defense. While I understand the concept, thats not exactly the truth about the gun. I headed out to the range after re-installing everything and took three boxes of shells with me. Mechanically, anyway. No. In case you look for improvement and tuning of your rifle i warmly suggest to consider this option. That said, Ill admit that in the reviews I have done Ive tried to add any categories that I felt had a direct affect on the overall score so the overall did make more sense when taking into account the stuff above it. Day and night difference in performance and reliability. What exactly do you mean by a manual bolt hold open? Witness us get knocked around a bit by the power of this 12 gauge shotgun. It should be solid as a rock, but we will need you to post a video or multiple pics showing the amount of play you are speaking of. Getting to know her working her in with stroke after stroke after stroke makes for a better relationship. The stamped steel receiver is reinforced, thicker (1.5mm instead of 1mm), and more heavily constructed than a standard Kalashnikov-pattern rifle. Thats like complaining that your 22lr wont cycle 22short. Like all firearms with the Vepr designation, the Vepr-12 receiver is patterned after that of the RPK light machine gun. I have also posted the same message over at vepr.org as some folks may not know about you guys here at saiga-12.com. Cost the same as a base model AR or AK does. Make your guide rod upgrade quick and painless! A quick polish with a steel file took care of it. Ratings are relative to all other similar firearms. In doing so, we learn a lot about how the VEPR 12 feeds and ejects different types of ammo. Good tip menace! Why is that? ak47-for-sale Rails all over the place, and more after market mods than you can shake a stick at. If you are a person that is looking for ONE gun then do your research and grab it but why badmouth others? If youre thinking about home defense, thats probably the best application I could think of for the gun. I have a few 10 round stick mags and a 20 round drum. I believe completely that there is room for personal opinion on a reviewbut no reason whatsoever to leave out/ get WRONG tec.data. It will retrofit into the existing recoil system by simply removing the the factory guide rod retainer pin, OEM rod, and then recapturing the new performance rod with the factory pin. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. I slicked up the feeding ramp on my first one But in hind sight that was just lazy. Ultimately, you will have to go through the trouble shooting process yourself, but if you run out of options with no luck, consider Cobra's Custom and their professional polishing job. I had TWO 930 SPXs and BOTH choked on everything I fed them. 1 buckshot pellets. the issue has been had with numerous #6 shot and also random target loads, all 2 3/4"slugs and 00buck run flawlessly. Although I like both these guns, shooting slugs from them can be painful, especially after a dozen shots. Ive done similar things on my reviews. Let me know if theres anything else that would help. Magazine: Removable box 5 rounds (8 ,10 ,12, and 25 round magazines available) The Russian VEPR 12 semi . (They are too bulky to be practical but lots of fun otherwise). I was looking for a buttstock for my Vepr 12 Molot. Make your guide rod upgrade quick and painless! I couldnt tell you on the overpenetraion aspect, as most of their buckshot is the same across the board. In some cases you need to fire a bunch of higher power ammo before the cheep stuff will run good. The areas in blue should be left in tact. It actually DOES run the 3 dram bulk pack birdshot that my 930s wouldnt (despite the fact that its not supposed to). I never beat my dogs downstairs though and it is over so fast I dont get time to even fire one round. That is, the bolt locks to the rear of the receiver after the last round has been ejected. A Saiga that runs well coupled with a 10-rd drum is a solution to many questions. A nifty range gun no doubt, but if Im spending this much money Id like to actually be able to use it for something. people get all fussed about it and do things like add recoil buffers or extra strength recoil springs, and then scratch their heads at the occasional short-stroke or double. The exact same thing happened. Hence the fat portion of the piston. Winchester Military Grade Buckshot. Was imagining a jury looking at this tacticool monster AK 47 assault shotgun in the event I actually used it for home defense, the intruder gave me time to load the thing, it didnt jam, and I actually hit that at which I was aiming. That skeleton stock is actually a left hand folding that has been pinned open due to 922r. Model: VEPR 12 Short-Barreled Shotgun (SBS) Action: Magazine-fed, semi-automatic Caliber: 12 gauge, 3" chamber Length: 34" Barrel length: 12" Weight: 9.3 lbs Capacity: 5 or 8 (Standard) and higher (extended) MSRP: $1,699 ( The other variants carry a MSRP of $1,199) VEPR 12 Shotgun Man, does that look awkward and ungainly. I just bought one of these for $699 out the door with tax shipping dros was $915. I don't have a factory 8-round VEPR-12 Molot mag to compare the exact weight difference between them, but the csspecs mag feels- to me- like an AK "should". Yea that was the first thing i thought also. springfield-hellcat-for-sale Just bought one along with a few 8 rd. When you say target ammo, it's too vague as there's a hundred different kinds of target ammo. Im not a big fan of thin pieces of metal jutting out off a firearm, especially near my hand, and especially when Im going to fire slugs through it. Often guns need to be "broken in" before they function properly. The biggest magazines Ive seen fro the VEPR-12 are 12 round magazines, and those require compliance with that pesky Federal statute 922(r) before using them in your gun. ive had nothing but issues feeding cheap rounds.FTE almost every single time. You can post now and register later. This is Russian AK; is built of steel, like Russian T-34 tank. Customization: * * * * Also, like the IZ-433, the gas block lacks a screw in gas adjuster. Is the type of jam always the same (spent shell not being fully ejected, shell getting stuck on feed ramp, etc.). The Saiga-12 costs about $610 these days, and this gun retails for nearly twice that much. If it does the mags may be the issue. This is quite obviously no better than a brick for home defense. Own a piece of Russian legacy before it's gone. ive had nothing but issues feeding cheap roundsFTE almost every single time. Even then some just do not like light loads. I took the shotgun apart, wiped the piston, bolt, carrier, and reapplied lube. Full VEPR 12 walk through, ammo test and review. Ive owned both. But it was an easy decision. 1200fps and up have had much more success than lighter loads and "low recoil" stuff. You simply cant hold the shortcomings of the Saiga against the VEPR. The Vepr 12 has AK-style sights; however, it also has a top rail if you want to mount a red dot or similar optic. They included that button on the bottom of the receiver it is in front of the trigger this allows you to lock the bolt without an inserted magazine. So each category gets 4 stars but somehow the overall drops to 3 stars? best point this is ohio man was open carry a gun wich is leagle police detain him with out cause orther then the gun they found he can sue the state and police. I just read the review and comments section in its entirety. Also considered potential liability at trial. First off the S12 was designed for heavy brass. Seems interesting. A side folding stock is present on most models; however, Vepr-12 shotguns are offered with fixed stocks as well. and if possible side folding stock, but most of available options required a special adaptor. Visit Our Site and Get Your Favorite Actors or Actresses Outfits now at the best prices. I repair a lot of tube fed guns. I just cannot see how this can be dangerous. But practical use. Makes sense that the cycling of the action might be a bit rough and too tight to cycle low velocity rounds. You could contact WPA for warranty work, but as long as its not being allowed to screw or unscrew, Id say its ok. Yours is moving much more than mine does though. Then I switched to S&B buckshot, thinking that perhaps the birdshot was too light to cycle the action (even though its supposed to be self regulating and work with any load). Would be a nightmare to develop. A little play is normal on your piston. Believe it or not, many more pumps than autos. I can't even say that about my Remington 1187P (perhaps the R12 will correct this..?). I also like shotguns a lot, so having a few choices now is nice. Its better than the Saiga-12, but the safety is an issue for me and the gun feels like it has very sharp edges and rough machining. Its loaded to 1300 fps, and is nickel plated of 1.5 oz of shot. A notch on the operating rod allows the user to hook the piston and pull it out to the rear for cleaning.[3]. And, since my kids all sleep upstairs, I can simply keep the weapon at less than horizontal + 15 degrees and they are totally safe. After a detailed search ive found this option from Israeli company Fab-Defence: http://www.idf-tactical.com/Buttstocks/ShotgunsStocks/M4-VEPR-FKSB. Next up is to polish it. I get lots of help. The dreaded AK-47 *assault* shotgun, thankyouverymuch. I had some problems with the SGM Tac. The bolt release tab then protrudes out indicating you have a locked colt. I rapid fired, as well as took my time between shots. similar to taking down Al Capone for tax evasion). Threaded barrel should not be an AWB problem for a shotgun as it is not on the shotgun evil feature list. where-to-buy-guns Ive gone up and down and read all these idiotic comments on how the muzzle brake wont do anythingmy god, people on here are retards. +1 for the Hornady buckshot. Once the jams start happening is it continuous through the rest of the magazine or sporadic? Finally, if stuff happened and it was confiscated, Id just buy anotherno drama. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. With the VEPR 12, I said what the heck. Just because youre paranoid doesnt mean that people ARENT watching! I second the Wally world suprema ammo. it does not, though I suppose you could attach one to the rail section under the gas/sight block. With its fixed open port gas system, the Vepr-12 can effectively cycle a multitude of 12-gauge loads, making it a highly versatile semi-automatic shotgun. Yet I do not like the embargoes pertaining to Russia or China as it really only adversely effects respective citizens in both countries as well as the U.S..Now, transferring high-tech military type technology I get. We take the VEPR 12 Shotgun out for a spin on the range. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Is that how Europeans/Russians refer to 12g? Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Place a screwdriver or other object on the follower ans forcefully push the follower down and let it come back up very quickly. Reply. Mine won't function with them either. First, the Saiga and the VEPR are completely different guns. What do you use it for? . VPR-12-81. Showing up without them; likely. This is sounding like an issue with my trigger more and more. There are a lot of internet experts out there. My vepr 74 needed the fcg polished, it wouldn't reset on its own because shit was gritty and would catch and not let go. Your piston gets guided into position by the gas tube. 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