Theres 30 men in the room. He was like he started appealing the process. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? My strength is dried up, as by the heat of summer. Thats a Tuesday night. I remember going home, my wife picked me up, I went home, and I just laid on the couch and looked at her. And were like, boy, I hate to say this, but that just felt demonic. And had those letters not reach the board, its hard to say where James McDonald would be today. But its also an important podcast, because as you may know, James McDonald is aggressively trying to rewrite history and relaunch his ministry. (Proverbs 27:12). James MacDonald and His Earlier Attacks on Julie Roys. And that would have been right before you came back on the board. So that we could live in freedom. Send your questions about the Bible, ministry, or personal matters below. Now, now James is saying, oh, Mancow edited this to say something that it really didnt say. Patient, kind, not self-seeking. Theres still one more thing I want to ask about. And a few days later James MacDonald's sons, Luke and . No, Julie Roys did not open the hood on James MacDonald, although she in her own hubris would like her audience to think that. Because when you report on this for months, you feel the pain of the people that are involved. And I turned to Scripture, and I went to Psalm 32, where you know, the companion to Psalm 51, where Davids writing. And we shouldnt be, you know, happy with standing in line and say, well, so and so said that, right? I did hear from one after I reached out to him because we had another connection with another organization that hes a head of. . My husband really appreciates James McDonalds preaching against my better judgement I told him about the new messagesso we have the Advent message from his Home Church network cast to the TV I had planned to leave the room so I didnt have to watch it I have to tell you he sounds sincere (without wax) I find the whole situation so heart breaking and confusing. Understanding & Overcoming Spiritual Abuse, Part II, Understanding & Overcoming Spiritual Abuse, Escaping & Healing from Abusive Churches, Part 2. I remember waking up that morning. And I stopped my car. The pastor of the largest church in Minnesota (around 23,000 average . She also previously hosted a national talk show on the Moody Radio Network, called Up for Debate, and has worked as a TV reporter for a CBS affiliate. I remember that too. Anne Green, who is married, alleged that MacDonald touched her inappropriately on a private plane in 2005. The Asbury Revival Is Over. The Lord made it really clear. It wasnt an easy thing to do. And remember, a week before the decision had been made, in terms of not qualified as an elder and his employment would be over. Is that how it went down? I encourage you to talk to Christian doctors who are fearful of extreme under no circumstances legislation that now forces molested preteens to give birth, and makes it difficult to treat a septic But like you do what that says and the people responded as you hope Christians do. And learn how MacDonald almost escaped being exposedand how six scathing letters that revealed MacDonalds true nature almost failed to reach the elder board. You do that, and hope that the person will repent, and that they will turn and that therell be restoration. You disseminated down to the elders, and then that became really the sticking point for James, wasnt it? And I read all these verses, and we were talking about it. I talked to other people who told me of demands that he made for private jets on numerous occasions. Gary Weigel, if you total all the expenses including vet bills, it might be more than a tithe. And I said, Listen, I get it. It looks like these contemporary churches are just fundamentalists in different garb. The leaders were brought together. Subscribe here for Pastor James' twice-weekly email devotionals straight to you inbox, plus occasional updates regarding his ministries, events, and personal news. I was there at HBC & witnessed it. I remember as a young pastor first hearing about James at a 2002 Moody Pastors Conference and reading his well written book on hermeneutics with an apologetic leaning and being blessed from his book. It didnt sit right with me when I heard about it, that the church was suing you, and the Mahoneys, and the Bryants. The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. And when I read that, I just shook my head. And we talk about that Scripture and quote it over and over again. Very sad situation for James and the elders as well. And Dan said it was just so unnerving. I knew that I wasnt going to win any arguments in the room. But But I remember saying to the guys, listen, heres the passages Ive been studying. And I, the next day, I wrote and said, Well, okay, I respect your wishes. 2. Is that an accurate representation? . Yet he notes that only a small number of former listeners responded positively. Others, who stumbled by the public deception sent many hateful words.. @jamesmacdonald. H arvest Bible Chapel and founding pastor James MacDonald have announced that they plan to drop their lawsuit against The Elephant's Debt bloggers and Julie Roys after a court today denied. It does. Its come to this. And we would be loved, it would actually be a loving thing for us to do. And I remember talking to another elder and I looked at him, he was almost in tears, saying, I cant believe were not going to do what Gods word says. And if he doesnt, what does that mean in terms of employment at Harvest Bible Chapel? Julie Roys October 8, 2020. Come out of her, my people. I mean, even though at this point, your eyes have been opened. I wrote back to her, and I apologized to her. Very loyal to James McDonald. Thats right. So appreciate that and appreciate your humility. And while youre at it, Id really appreciate it if youd help us spread the word about the podcast by leaving a review. Church, Ministry News I say this as a Christian who was taken to task by Christian doctors who told me of all sorts of cases that are not as the woman loved murdering her baby as many pro-life conservatives want everyone to believe. Thanks for for standing up for what was right. Harvest didnt know what it looked like to not have him as a senior pastor. So if youre listening, you need and you havent read those letters, you need to go back and Dean Butters, I mean that one has to be just the emotional impact of the the bullying and the abuse, and then even a video where he mocked a very well known Christian leader because she was getting married in midlife for the first time and mocking her for never having sex before. Whether he was going to resign or have an opportunity to resign or, you know, terminate his employment was to be determined at that point. And again, this was on the churchs dime. If you find yourself unaware of In a recent Instagram story, Visconti, pastor of Generation Church in Mesa, claimed abuse is not a biblical justification for divorce. And in an Instagram post on November 21 that received 5,621 likes Visconti wrote: A weak woman with a strong husband will become a strong woman. Receive E-Devotionals and Ministry Updates. He also advertised an upcoming GrampCampan overnight retreat providing training and tools for grandparents to connect with their grandkids. He was in the many meetings leading up to McDonalds termination. . Of it could be that shes been taken in by him. But again, reading those letters, and it does have a different impact when you read the actual letter than someone summarizes it. And this is this was this was hard, but at the end of the night, we talked through it, we shared things from the letters. . ChurchLeaders has reported extensively on MacDonald and Harvest, which began experiencing unrest back in 2013. And Im just grateful that finally, the board, open their eyes. Yeah. I was at work. ( was spent) That seems pretty straightforward. Thankfully, I had headphones on. We will talk through it. I didnt, I didnt argue with him. Well, maybe it had approval by the executive elders, maybe it had approval by Fred Adams, who was the CFO at the time. James MacDonald Suspends New Home Church Network Julie Roys September 29, 2020 Seven months after launching a Home Church Network (HcN) for those who "struggle to get to church or to stay in church," former celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, is suspending the program. And I hope I hope that a lot of people have read that and they dont owe me anything, but I hope its been healing to them. I believe it was from Mancow who texted me. Prominent evangelical scholar, author, and missiologist, Ed Stetzer, is leaving his position as executive director of Wheaton Colleges The Billy Graham Center, Despite being disqualified from public ministry by his former megachurch for a pattern of sinful behavior, James MacDonald is preaching at Generation, An Arizona megachurch has hired Landon MacDonald as a lead pastor, despite allegations MacDonald bullied and abused those in his care while. Its funny how things turn out, and this situation isnt wrapped up, yet. "I was sitting in the back seat. To myself, I said, and do our job. So far, I feel the leadership of my current church embodies this well. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. So who is he talking about? And we were at a stalemate. to Rick Donald. And scripture is really clear that its got to be, you know, two or three witnesses. Again, Dan was one of the elders who confronted James back in 2012, and then got excommunicated from Harvest. Jesus help us. pretty rotten.. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. Also, in addition to those, you have the letter that was written by eight former elders at Harvest, who brought them in 2012, to the elder board, and within 24 hours, were excommunicated for bringing charges against James McDonald. And by the meeting that night, the executive committee came to the elder board with a unanimous recommendation, per the bylaws, that James McDonalds employment should be terminated for cause at that point. I wish I didnt. Ed Stetzer was given a car by James MacDonald, along with a bunch of cash and other things that Roys documents in her reporting. I remember saying to the larger board, Guys, it is the grace of God that we have these letters. There was a spirited discussion of the letters and who should be able to read the letters. . Can you share what was in it? I need to repent. So Rick had been there 29 plus years. I think of the timing, I think it was earlier that day, that I actually I sent I had sent Sandys letter out, because Sandy sent, she addressed her letter to the elder board. Youre better off reading the Bible at home with your cat. One is, I dont want people to give up on the church. I felt physically sick reading the letter. A man of God who just wanted to take a vacation with his family, has the right to use church money which is his only source of income. But I knew I needed to do it. Tim, thanks I should have read before commenting and exactly! Thank you. Jesus died on the cross for to take the weight of our sin so that we could be released from it. So lets move on to these letters. Im sad for his fall. I knew I had to do it. In an email to The Roys Report (TRR), Vernick noted that in the Old Testament, Abigail, the wife of the boorish and immature, Nabal, was a strong woman, married to a weak characterand she wasnt toxic. And I thought, Oh, my gosh! Only Gods opinion is what counts. What does the bible say about that? . Her articles have appeared in numerous periodicals. And I got it. Literally more than two dozen people. Youre, youre characterizing it correctly. Ron Duitsman, Chairman of the Board, who agreed to fire James, now appears to be out there, saying that after James got fired, that the elders were were spinning what happened in a false way. Julie Roys is a veteran investigative reporter and founder of The Roys Report. He says, Well, for when I kept silent my bones wasted through my groaning all day long for day and night, your hand was heavy upon me. And her being in my house and literally shaking as shes recounting. If the church wants to regulate marriage, let them say you cant get remarried in their church if you are already married in the eyes of the church. When I did not immediately respond, MacDonald tweeted I had declined his invitation, which I did not. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. . And by that time Harvest was 30, in its 31st. He was the second longest tenured pastor at Harvest. In this episode of The Roys Report, former Harvest elder, Dan George, joins Julie to tell the real story of MacDonalds firing. So its critically important that the truth be told. When I entered my UCC church-sponsored college, I figured out why. I certainly am no Bible scholar. Yes, yeah, there were a number of people. Its so interesting. And they started reading scripture about the qualifications of the elders. It was in the very, very early days of its launch. So Rick was, in effect, the Assistant senior pastor. However, MacDonald texted me an invitation to appear with him in a public forum to answer for the many many lies Ive reportedly written about him. He teaches that wives should endure abuse like a missionary endures persecution. He surrounded himself with yes men and used intimidation tactics to keep people in line. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. But for us not to act would be unbelief. Am I characterizing what happened there accurately? And when he sees he cant save it, it sounds like then he was trying to lobby for being able to resign, and a lot of emotional manipulation being used that weekend from from what youve told me. Yeah. He further claims Harvests elders crafted false accusations against him as a pure act of vindictiveness to cover the churchs looting of his former broadcast ministry, Walk in the Word. Vernick, however, believes abuse is grounds for divorce. And my job was to get it to fellow elder board. And I remember a comment being made. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? If not, youre probably looking at what Paul latter in the chapter describes as an immature child. And we got to a Saturday meeting then on the ninth. Okay. Roys detailed evidence from former Harvest elders, employees, and members that . On January 7, 2019, Harvest elders announced they decided to drop the lawsuit against Julie Roys and four other individuals. You did you have any idea that that this was out there, and might get aired? But he starts arguing process. Again, only you and Mike Dunwoody, did that publicly. Maybe if the shoe was on the other foot and the men were the ones being abused we might hear them singing a different tune. But James McDonald, he did not like to fly with the commoners, from what I understand. Yes, and I would add that baked into the command for husbands to love their wives is the definition of love in 1 Corinthians 13. It seems we are being punished for the acts of someone who was our spiritual leader. The only joy in doing this is we would be obeying Gods word. Hi. I shouldnt be doing this. His sermons changed from adoration of the text to little postcard messages. I acknowledge my sin to you. Dominican Republic, a resort there and invited their wives to come with them. Just finished my post on clarifiers that will precede the deception lists. I knew letters were coming to the elder board per First Timothy 5. I stepped into a conference room. That didnt happen. I payed for you and James. You can review it. James Macdonald is a wolf and sadly so many have been fooled by this charlatan. Who were all shameless self promoters. And you know, Rick Donald was one of the people. 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But again, you push that issue, you got those letters. So quick to forgive and people were giving me hugs the next night. You know, while while I was an overseer, I didnt know it. How come church leaders and male congregants are always beating up the women with this particular Scripture but no one ever (to my knowledge) addresses the husbands responsibility to love their wives as Christ loved the church? How can we approve this? He was the senior pastor of Harvest Bible Chapel megachurch in Rolling Meadows, Illinois, United States [1] [2] and was the host for the church's former broadcast ministry, Walk in the Word . We all need to do it together, etc, etc. Jared Prayed for you just now. He wasnt bringing it to the elders and through a discussion with a couple of the pastors, chose to give it to the elders, which we were thankful for. This is James said what he said. And so I was pulling into the garage, and I knew I knew, as soon as I pulled in the garage, you know, I was, I was gonna go drive up to whatever floor and go to the meeting. Sandy talked about over the years, other staff members coming to her after meeting with James McDonald in tears, just crushed. But he said even the way said that he said, we got out of that meeting, we looked at each other. First he used to walk up and down the isles and second it was a bit more exegetical than primarily exhortation based and those dynamics flipped. And the things that were done to them after they left. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. She first came to my attention with James MacDonald, then with Ravi Zacharias, and now John McArthur plus one of his side-kicks is in her cross-hairs. And, and the drama begins. And and Im still feeling it and Im still hearing from people. MacDonald adds, Of the more than 4000 Change Partners once faithfully supporting our efforts monthly, there are now about 150the remnant from which we seek to rebuild. He then invites people to send him gifts. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. So Im deeply grateful for their faithful support. And today youre going to hear from a former insider at Harvest, former elder Dan George. And we were at an absolute stalemate. Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. I remember one other elder leading over to me and said repentant people dont ask for money. But according. I mean his letter, not just talking about the abusive behavior of James, but the things he did with the money going on African safaris with the church money. And they said, I remember Dan telling me that that James slammed his fist on the table. But like I said, Hes really working hard to rewrite history. What really caused Harvest Bible Chapel to fire James MacDonald? But it was dark. And I just felt this incredible weight. Nearly 30 pages, innumerable charges between all those people, Julie, they served on the staff of Harvest Bible Chapel for somewhere between 40 and 50 years collectively. So, Julie Roys decided to do what she does best - investigative journalism - in order to find out the truth in the world of m. And then you know, you would categorize these things. I know a lot of people look at this. The headlines really heated up after the December 2018 publication of "Hard Times at Harvest," a lengthy expos by investigative journalist Julie Roys. But one of the circumstances hes talking about, hes talking about something specific where Id stood up for him in a meeting years ago. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. And that was actually the night we went, we went into the I think we went to one oclock in the morning and actually walked through whether James McDonald was qualified as an elder. when men make the final decision in the marriage, even if they consult with their wife first, chances of divorce increases 7.4 times . Ostensibly, one of the assets MacDonald obtained in the arbitration settlement is the list of email addresses of former Walk in the Word supporters. Well, you know, we laugh about it. On that Haiti trip. The Roys Report reached out to MacDonald with questions about the email, which he would not answer on the record. Thats even though MacDonalds former megachurch, Harvest Bible Chapel, disqualified MacDonald from public ministry in 2019 for a pattern of sinful behavior.. She wanted me to look at it. It is not an ecclesiastical remedy at least not any longer. What do you give, he would have been removed from Harvest, theres no doubt. She said a survey of 20,000 women for her book, The Great Sex Rescue, found that when men make the final decision in the marriage, even if they consult with their wife first, chances of divorce increases 7.4 times . Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. And thats got to be a heavy. Harvest Insider Tells What Really Happened with James MacDonald. And what happened and all the backroom meetings, private conversations and phone calls leading up to that fateful event? And she immediately said, Ill write a letter. TED also reported that MacDonald's church Harvest Bible Chapel was $65 million in debt. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. If you wind back and in in elder meetings, I remember it being said by several several people, years before, if people start arguing the process, you know, you have them right up there arguing in the process. I remember talking and saying, guys, were all going to give an account to the Lord one day for what were doing in this meeting. I know James McDonald says it was a conference call. But he demanded that he be flown home on a private jet. I am so sorry to report that he has not changed. But the one letter that isnt published came from Sandy Song. I remember sitting on my couch waiting to press the button to publish it. If you hear that from the pulpit, or you hear that up front, I think, if Im sitting, if Im sitting in the seat, I think well, how fast can I get to my car and confess everything that just the Holy Spirit just brought to mind? James McDonald recently did a video with Ron Duitsman, as you said, former chairman of the elder board, where he claims this was all part of a campaign by Dallas Jenkins, whos a former executive leadership team member at Harvest. So that tells you something about the backbone and the integrity of Dan Marquardt. While we were doing that, I was in my office at home. That would be acceptable teaching. And lets just, for people who dont know, tell them who Rick Donald is and the position he held and his relation to James McDonald. This is going amongst the elders now. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of "Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse" by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. And he says he refuses to read it and says hes not going to mislead the congregation. And then if you could, please share the podcast on social media so more people can hear about this great content. How come its always wives submit to your husbands and never husbands love your wives? Others as well, who were defending and saying, well, the elders shouldnt even have these letters we had agreed, they go to the reconciliation team. Guest Bios Show Transcript Spiritual abuse has become an increasingly hot topic, as more and more stories of bully pastors and hyper-controlling, Guest Bios Show Transcript After years spent in an abusive church, how do you heal? And that reminded me of something that Dan Marquardt told me. Dan resigned from the Harvest elder board in March 2019, calling for reform. And then immediately after I felt that relief, I thought of Betsy Corning. We turned out to have six witnesses who wrote 28 pages with innumerable charges. I hope you have a great day and God bless. Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. And Dean Butters letter came in that way as well. But by the middle of day, right, we were talking about how we were clearly going to have to have an elder board meeting that night. Please dont read something into a story thats not there. And we had consensus from everybody in the room that James McDonald was not qualified to as an elder and that his employment at Harvest Bible Chapel was over. If theres other passages we should be talking about, lets talk about them. And, again, this is five days after I published my expose of Harvest and World Magazine. Yet another American megachurch is immersed in accusations of wrongdoings. So these letters, and this is what I found really riveting about your story, is when these letters were first given, as you said, they were given to pastors, with the exception of Sandys letter that went directly to you. I remember saying we got to pray. I was literally sitting in a hotel lobby waiting for a pickup at one oclock in the morning to catch an overnight flight back from India. 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